"socialism does everything to destroy…"

You can live with tyranny? Are you sure you are hippy?

 

and none of thats in socialism ...its not coercive if u more their and in doing so agree to uphold their laws, dont like the tax leave the country, democratic socialism is elected, blue laws dont apply b/c there doesnt have to be big govt socially, or any govt, govts sole reponisibility is to redistriute wealth not impose religion, or prefrence...i think ur thinking of stalinism or autharian comunism

 

when i said i can live with that i was referring to ur other comment, the one before that

 

We would see eye to eye on political issues obviously. Where we differ is that I believe my property is mine to own, share, and trade based on my talents, energy and time.

Mutual consent. Social contract. NOT COERCION.

I don't think we need initial coercion in any form. That's my view.

 

what about economically mobility, do u feel we owe any reponsiblity to the poor?

 

libertarianism and socialism serve 2 different objectives..

socialism serves to help the poor, minimalize the rich-poor gap, help the environment, embrace equality, and scrap the prison industry/system along with illogical laws, and eventually get rid of the government..

libertarianism serves to help corporations, the economy, and scrap the prison industry/system along with illogical laws and minimalize the government.

 

I don't see where you and I conflict in that area. But, stealing property is coercive.

I also believe gov't sole responsibility is protecting us from initial coercion, not redistribution.

 

libertine, u dont know ur side well enough, ur siding with the Ayn Rands and Matt Kopukos'

 

Bullshit, Mui. That's your own warped perception.

Libertarian serves to support the freedom to choose in all areas of your life without the INITIAL COERCION. Period.

 

i just dont see how a government who prides itself on low flat taxes, no regulation, no social programs, could stop multi-billion dollar corporations from coercion... the government would be too small and poor to tell microsoft what to do... so instead socialists think a better way to slowly get rid of the government and coercion/exploitation is to scrap the whole free market system entirely and live by a need basis, communally, where sharing and helping one another, working together is not only key, but a necessity in life. that doesnt mean production wont still happen, it just wont be used as a means for amassing profit and welath... t he goods will instead be sent to people who need them...and in return the factory can be assured that whatever they need to make what they do will be sent to them in a needs basis... its society working together as one, not thinking about creating mass amounts of wealth but by spreading its product evenly amongst everyone.

 

tax isnt coercion, tax fights coercion...thats the point theres already coercion, and economic slavery and corruption, tax takes from teh abusers and gives to the abused

 

Graffiti, please do not insult me by insinuating that you know more than me about my own belief system. You are 18. I am 30. I was writing political editorials since you were in grammar school. Please....

 

Tax is coercive if it is not voluntary.

 

If that was its sole responsibility--to stop coercion, it could do a much better job than the big government of today blowing our resources out its ass.

 

i wasnt trying to imply that, i appoligize if taht sounded at all condescending, but i meant, ur views seem more Progressive Populist than liberatarian, rand doesnt give a fuck about freedom or equality, badnarik doesnt even support intervention in genocides(as he stated when he spoke at my school)...ur very different from teh party u claim to side with

 

u said "Tax is coercive if it is not voluntary."



under that argument i could argue having punishments for murder is coercion, do u not believe in that either?

 

still, even if the only thing the government existed to fight is what you called coercion, i still dont see enough money or resources going into the government to be able to have a say... what happens when the richest corporations in the world work together to bypass the government. just how exactly do libertarians intend on stopping and fighting coercion and exploitation?

 

when u move somewhere u agree to uphold their laws of the land, tax is one of them...period...

 

extreme liberatarianism leads to fuedalism, i dont see freedom in fuedalism, only a polarized version of what we have now...

 

Apology accepted.

Rand had some good ideas, but I disagree with some of her economic theories as well.