"socialism does everything to destroy…"

You insinuated that prison was meant for the murderer and non- tax payer. That does equate the two in that sense.

 

again ur confusing socialism with authitarian communism
and peopel shouldnt be allowed to go hungry, i mean if my parents were poor and unemployed, when i was a lad, i wouldnt have liked to live in a liberatarian world ,when compassion disregarded for the sake of the "individual"
we have a responsibility to make things equal...

 

I respectfully disagree. We have a responsibility to teach people and stop initial coercion.

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day.
Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.

EDUCATION is the key to everything, in my opinion.

 

It wasnt really an opinion peice... the only opinions i offered were calling her a cultist whore... I think its pretty much fact her essence was created by capitalist governments to stir up hatred towards communist, and label the USSR a "marxist' government.

But whatever... nice talking to thee.

 

Nice talking to you, as well.

 

no one should go hungry period,
everyone has compassion, initially
tiny children react the same way when confronted with poor its synpathy
its just some train themselves to not feel
some train themselves to disregard their sense of obligation, i call those people liberatarians

 

dyu think in our society an educated minority has the same chance for success as an non educated minority?

 

I agree with you. You have a wonderful heart.

I don't think we disagree that much, but I just believe that you are wrong on libertarians. You need to study it more, perhaps. I will visit your website as well. I don't think anyone has "the answer", but I like to bat around ideas.

I just happen to think freedom and education is key.

 

cool... love. man. gotta go

 

Take care, man.

 

reread my prior post, i fucked up b4

 

LOL...ok.

 

Yeah, and most of us nearly starved under it.

 

Apparently the "golden age" wasn't so golden after all.

 

russians were starving before, during, and after stalin

 

Funny that all the genocide, torture and slavery has always been a form of Statism or Religion. Never has a society based on individual freedom contributed to these things. It was only when the State or the Church took hold.

And Old America doesn't count, because the freedom of the individual was not extended to the African or Indian, thus it was a great philosophy operated by many hypocrites.

 

acutally russia had its greatest ever economic gorwth under stalin, people werent really starving(well compared to pre communism),i mean ukranians were, but those arent russians and thats b/c stalin was a vendictive prick...(and i said golden age was under khrushchev... and it was, prove me wrong)
pre revolution, russia a big 3rd world farrm
udner communism fastest industrialization in world history, greatest/fastest economic growth in russian history, it was a world superpower, #2 behind US
post communism(under capitalism), for the past 20 yrs theve been in a depression like slump where their economy is shit, and the mafia controls entire cities... again back to a 3rd world country
trust me i hate ussr as much as the next man, they gave communism a bad name...but for them communism was more successful

http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/media/audiolinks1.html
check out the lecture "Is Capitalism Just?"
its pretty interesting...

 

pinochet, commited genocide in the name of freemarket
hitler was a free market advocate, so is bush, do u not consider the systemic extermination of 100000 specifically iraqi civilians genocide?

 

Pinochet, Hitler nor Bush are TRUE advocates of freedom and you know it. Consider the "PATRIOT ACT" for example! Yeah, a real testament to freedom. They talk it, but don't walk it.

I truly fail to grasp the problem you have with freedom from Big Brother.

You say Hitler was a "free market" advocate, he killed in the name of freedom then? So, the Church killed in the name of "love". Many have been killed in the name of "peace" and "equality".

NONE of these coercive acts demonstated freedom, love, peace or equality.

But, it is true that freedom is more valuable than equality. How would you keep everyone equal? Some people have different beliefs and some are more ambitious than others? You would have to resort to initial coercion and/or violence to keep them down. That goes against a human's right to progress and educate themselves.

If everyone were equal...where would our progress come from? Where would the furthering of science, medicine, technology, etc. come from?

Frankly, forcing equality in any area but EQUAL PROTECTION under the law is absurd and a violation of human rights.

 

not to sound condescending but thats >>completely<< false pinochet cliamed to be an advocate for freedom of all kinds (he was a hypocrite and madman, yes, but he claimed to be for freedom) he was a self proclaimed libertarian, so did hitler, freedom of the "deserving", if US is exempt for slavery in not considering blakcs, and indians to be fully human, so is hitler for the genocide in considering Jews to be sub-human.

and state controlled system worked (in terms of progress) for russia(they had the fastest industrialization in history), in cuba(who have some of the best doctors in the world(jus recent their life expectancy passed ours)), luxembourg(riches country in the world), spain(recently first nation to succesfuly prove marajuana reduces tumor size), FInland (who recently built the first solar powered village)...motivation comes from human nature (people want to suceed(money doesnt have to be a measure of success))and nationalism (im not an advocate for nationalism) but its a motivator...

and freedom means nothign without equality, slave society had freedom for whites, but not equality among whites, indians, mexicans, and blacks, so there was no true freedom, in the dark ages there was complete fredom from federal government, the poor were economically enslaved to their land(which is what happens when theres no equality, or fed redistribution programs)and so the fief owners made up their own little rules their employees(slaves) had to follow...
whats more iomportant freedom or equality? u chose freedom (in liberatarianism), i chose both (in anarco syndicalism(a form of socialism))
-collecting tax isnt a violation of freedom because whne u agree to uphold a nation's constitution and their laws upon moving to a country, taxes are included, u choose to move there, so u agree to pay their taxes...no stifle of freedom there, dont like it, dont move there and dont pay taxes