Socialism doomed to fail?

it certainly did in the past, why else do you think britain wanted to run the place?

prejudice against the peoples of the indian subcontinent is probably largely responsible for the mess that is there now - a hundred nations turned into two by colonial bureaucrats who knew nothing and cared less

[gandhi's dream debased]

and of course the mess they created is what led to the immigration "crisis" of today . . .

given enough time i think there will be more and more cross-assimilation, less problems - but these are very slow processes, somewhat akin to social evolution

the dinosaurs did not die overnight . . .

 

Speaking of both India and protecting European culture, in terms of cuisine, probably one of the most defining for Britain culturally is curry, and tea. They freakin love curry and tea. And both are just sooooo European.

 

don't forget polo

 

Coffee too. Coffee is pretty big in Europe(well it's pretty big everywhere, but Europeans and Americans love making it in 4,000 different ways), especially in Scandanavia, but coffee is not native to Europe at all. It's native to numerous places, the Americas(mainly South) and Africa, but European like of coffee comes mainly from how big it became in Arab culture in the mid east during the middle ages that traders, mainly Venetian and Genonese brought back with them from as the Ottamans took over the trade routes controlled by the decaying Byzantine empire.

 

I wasn't being completely serious.
It would probably be more likely new E.U members would come from closer to mainland Europe.
I was just joking because of the high birth rate in Africa.
It wasn't very funny.

I agree with you.
African Nations are attempting to form some form of unity as we speak.

I'll have to do some research.
In the mean time (and if you don't find any info' yourself) you might find this interesting:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Autonomous+Soviet+Socialist+Republics+&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-ContextMenu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&redir_esc=&ei=g14nTfYTgdCEB4CM3c8C#sclient=psy&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb%3AIE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&q=Global+Population+Ageing%2C&aq=0v&aqi=g-v2g-o1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=fb65bc885a9abf7

Greater social mobility in weaker/poorer E.U states, imho.

I do.

 

actually, i think coffee is only native to ethiopia

traded out through the arabs [probably for all those indian and indonesian spices ethiopians love] and from there to the world

speaking of spices . . .

 

Could you explain further, please.

 

i've known many, am married to one [welsh]

the brit in america phenomenon is hilarious, all those scousers getting treated like royalty by americans who can't hear the difference . . .

 

It's native to South America, central/eastern Africa and South Asia, but it's ability to actually be consumed as well as the stimulant effects were first discovered by Ethiopians it's believed. Though there's no written historical record of it till the middle ages in the mid east. God forbid you tell Americans or Europeans it's muslims who really popularized coffee.
(Muslims from Berber north Africa and the mid-east actually also helped keep the tradition of ingesting certain illegal, ahem spices, alive by smoking hashish, often along with coffee in smoke houses, in a time when hemp by Europeans was seen as being only good for fiber.

OH GOD HASH IS A MUSLIM THING. BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT

 

there's already been so much cultural adoption, do you think it's just going to end?

the earlier processes may have been quicker for a reason - if a colonial official with social standing decided he liked, say curry, he could bring it back and aid its absorption into the culture

[trickle-down fad?]

it might have gone more slowly if it had been a case of the curry-makers simply moving to england without the advance guard - various factors wmight slow patronage and acceptance

over the long haul though, familiarity should win out, youth often leads the way in this regard - leading to assimilation at a slower pace

[trickle-up fad?]

just thinking aloud, feel free to dispute . . .

 

i'd never heard that, checked the wiki:

was surprised to see western africa in there, but not surprised to not see asia or south america

sorry about the off-topic, but coffee used to be an obsession of mine . . .

 

I think we have moved rather quickly.
I'm not too sure how quickly a process has occurred regarding other entwined nations.
But I think we have moved rather fast.
It won't be long before certain towns in the UK are predominantly Asian.
Here where I live for instance.
Granted, certain customs more evident in our old colonial colonies have remained exactly where they are...the UK has embraced more since, like has been said, they saved OUR ass in regards to supporting our vital services.
I'm not too sure how much more cultural adoption can be had, though.

We have food, language and importantly, people.

 

not worried about adopting culture, worried about watering-down culture

seems to be an inevitable part of the process

add: not watering-down ours, watering-down theirs

though i suppose an uzbek popstar is a good thing in some regards, if the traditional styles ever completely disappear i won't be happy

 

Oh snap, South America has done well for itself then in coffee growing. I always assumed it was native since Colombia and Brazil grow so much and it's big in both native and non native groups there.

 

Why is this a problem. Sounds like white people in the US back in the day when there were too many Irish, or Italians, or dun du dun, blacks! moving into town.(FYI your country is 91% white)

 

10,383 posts and i'm the first person who ever proved you wrong about something!

 

Shhh, Odon is here to stun us with his country's vast cultural diversity.

 

I didn't say it would.
Sorry if my tone implied I had an issue with this.
Damn, my half brother is half Asian.

Their cultural decline is due to them not us.

 

i read it differently, i didn't think he had a problem with it

more in the line of stating a fact, without judgement?

 

Unlikely.