Socialized Healthcare

im just laughing seeing all these rednecks getting riled up in townhall meetings screaming "socialism!". they never read a book about socialism in their life. hahahaa

first off the obama healthcare system is not a "socialist" single payer system like Great Britain. It is basically trying to create a government health insurer like medicaid WHILE ALLOWING FOR PRIVATE INSURANCE TO EXIST. did you hear that? private healthcare isnt going away. also the bill is making it so they have less criteria to dump you on and hes making sure that private healthcare becomes affordable for more people, should you choose not to use the government healthcare. Were this socialist everyone would be on the same plan like britain. In fact real socialists are complaining that healthcare isnt really being universalized. to them, keeping private health insurance in midst of the reform is like putting lipstick on a pig.

and all the while republicans are lying and causing their illiterate fans to believe their bullshit. these fuckers dont give a fuck about the facts just about creating opposition through lies. These people don't care that america is ranked 50th in the world in life expectancy. People dont care that singapore and cuba have a lower infancy mortality rate. That elderly people in the inner city are struggling with their health and need to see doctors. they only care about spreading lies and deceit. The real losers of this game are the 7 major corporations that provide 80% of all healthcare. these corporations are going to lose profits off the backs of sick people and they will create a fucking hellstorm to stop it. republicans have always been on the side of such greedy fucks. America has the best healthcare money can buy. if you can't buy it "so fucking what" they say. "i dont want my tax dollars paying for healthcare going to illegal immigrants." oh no some poor people are actually going to get to see doctors how terrible.

this doesn't bother me because i haven't used healthcare in years. when i do get sick (very rare once every 5 years) i treat with homeopathic remedies. i eat probiotic foods on a daily basis like kombucha, miso, pickle, yogurt. i also eat sweet limes and turnips during flu seasons to boost my immunity. i would only need healthcare assistance for broken bones, a car accident, a fall or tetanus shots or something like that. If you are so worried that healthcare is going to get shitty maybe its time to take preventative measures and take better care of yourselves.

the problem you should have with this whole thing is that it is going to increase our deficit. im not really sure we can afford to enact this reform in light of our trillions of dollars deficit. its fucked up that this administration thinks it can spend money that we don't even have.

 

actually Obama has stated IN HIS OWN WORDS, that he advocates a SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. he also advocates ELIMINATING PRIVATE INSURANCE over a period of time.

while i will agree that there are uneducated people shouting 'socialims', you have to see that that is direction that we are going.

let me ask you this: if the government creates a public option that will cost less to individuals and employers, how can private companies compete?

well that is exactly what this administration plans on doing. sure they are not going to eliminate private companies, but when they cant compete they will naturally die off.

so let me make it perfectly clear: the president says that he will not eliminate private insurance and this is true, but for how long? how long untill your employer switches to the government option when they see that they can save MONEY??

this plan has one goal. this administration has the same goal. to eliminate public healthcare. if you dont believe me, then maybe you will believe obama IN HIS OWN WORDS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

 

im someone willing to admit that i dont care what the hell is going on with federal politics. i just dont, i used to care way to much and it was increadibly draining. the states are too big and too fucking corrupt to change things within the political arena. if you want to do somthing that means anything, start with yourself, the kinds of things you buy, what business you support, where you direct your time and energy ect. and from there expand into your immediate community. thats all any one of us can do.
i dont care about obama. i dont watch mtv or cnn, but im at every town meeting. at this point im sure my life is going to be stable enough no matter what happens to the federal government, because iv built it up that way. i have absolutly no faith in federal politics, and as a general rule think that with anything the media says, the opposite is probably true.

what i dont understand is how anybody could have so much faith in a system like ours (as fragile as it is)....you know what its based on? absolutely nothing...numbers on a computer screen pulled out of thin air. it has no value, it isnt backed by any real wealth.

perhaps im an extremist but i can afford to be, iv got my basic priorities centered

 

no ur not an extremist, i agree that sometimes it seems like we are too little to make a difference but we do need to organize. and starting with yourself is a good point. i guess thats all any of us can do, set an example.

 

i do think im fortunate enough to be living somwhere that is very communal, id probably feel a bit different if i still lived in a place where wal-mart and mcdonalds ran the show and all the farms were mono-crop, gmo. american culture has moved foward on a sickening path imo. and its got alot of momentum.

 

what? i thought you said he wanted to eliminate private healthcare. i think you are confused.

by lowering their fucking prices and their fucking profits and getting back to the basics of providing reasonable healthcare instead of trying to make a billion dollar corporate profit for their fucking CEOs to go on vacation with. no longer will they be able to exploit human necessity to make ridiculous profits.Its that simple. People will have a choice, and those who can afford it or want to choose their doctor will get private health care. it will be lower cost anyway because public healthcare will drive the cost down. more people will be able to afford private healthcare. in fact more people might use private healthcare simply because they can afford it and think its better than government.

i agree with this. its good to be living someplace where you can support sustainable and healthy farming practices. this whole industrial corporate farm monopoly shit is destroying our health and the environment. America seems to have greed as its common denominator in almost every facet of life now. Food industry, Oil industry, Healthcare and Drugs. its quite disgusting.

 

"You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when.. when... wait for it... when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans... well fuck that. That about right? You know it is.

You people have all lost your fucking minds. You are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, narcissistic, and frankly... stupid. Your pathetic little misspelled protest signs are embarrassing. Maybe you ought to find the smart person in your midst and let them make up all the signs, cause man, you look like a bunch of idiots. Also you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. "

Not written by me but taken from here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6296630

 

how is what we are trying to do different from great britain? private healthcare still exists in great britain.

do you really think that healthcare has anything to do with our life expectancy? it is because of the lives we lead. what can you really expect when you lead an immoral life full of unnatural pleasures and greed.

i rarely use healthcare either. usually when i get sick or hurt i just suck it up and ride it out, lol. i really don't understand what the healthcare hysteria is about. people were never this obsessed with healthcare a decade or two ago. giving healthcare to everyone just isn't necesary.

the fact is that in every other country that has socialized healthcare it was a massive failure. so why, oh why, would america be ANY different?

we don't need another drain on the already overextended taxpayer budget.

we don't need a shitty healthcare system.

we don't need the government to own the biggest insurance company on the market.

we don't need to give the government more control over our lives.

i mean honestly this is massively overstepping their bounds. the government does not need to have this much power. we have a free market economy. this does NOT mean that the government needs to own part of the freaking economy. that is WAY, WAY, too much power. yea let's just give them control of our businesses, and the ability to regulate those businesses. when you have both of those things, it opens a plethora of doors for corruption. i mean what is to stop the government in the distant future from changing the market regulations for their own benefit? because they own parts of the market!!!

true. but we still have a voice. it is possible to make change. how can you not care about the government? we form a symbiont circle with the government under which we live. of course what happens is going to affect us. so i don't really know why just focusing on the individual would work. that's like sitting in front of a gun saying 'if i meditate hard enough, the bullet won't kill me'. it is important to master the needs of the individual, as well as those of the society. we don't live in small communities anymore. we live in a global community. things are different.

 

whoa, whoa whoa whoa. whoa. whoa. wait........Desos, without even reading ANY of the posts on this thread, i think i have come to the conclusion your trying to tell us to ingest the "obama" tabs that have been going around.

 

DO IT! rofl.

 

Good vibes--well thought out post 27---

 

YES WE CAN!!!!!! hahahahahaaaahhahaaaag

 

dont do it they're pipes!

 

nah theres actually lsd blotter with obama on it.

but yea i heard the white obama rolls were crap....

 

yeah in aussie. i heard they were no bueno though.

 

so what are your thoughts on rationing helthcare? we can all agree that giving everyone including illegals (fast track citizenship immigration bill to be presented next year) the government health care option will be catastrophic to our spiraling economy. taxpayers footing the bill, and when there isnt enough money to go around rationing will become necessary. theres really no way around it.

also, obama has said in his own words that he advocates single payer public option and plans to eliminate private insurance. sure he says you can keep it now and thats true but he has said in his own words that over time his plan will eliminate private healthcare. how can you deny this if he said it himself?

also, i think if private healthcare does survive it will not lower its costs. on the contrary, it will seek out a new market, my opinion is that they will cater to the wealthy by providing higher quality options than that which the government will provide. this will cost more, not less.

 

Well if you rarely use healthcare, then do you even know what the fuck your talking about from a personal perspective ?

Well I don't think you are old enough to understand why all the uproar over the cost of healthcare, I mean if you don't understand it it's most likely because you're not more than a couple of decades old.

15 years ago when I got married my wife and I both worked for the same company and had full family coverage medical/dental for about $100 a month between two people.
We had two kids under that insurance and didn't have to pay a dime, one was even premature, and we were lucky to have docs that waived the co-pay even though it wasn't much.

My last job,that I just got laid off from, the insurance, just medical, cost for family coverage was $465 a month!! We couldn't afford it. Could you?

That is why people have gotten so upset over it in the last couple of decades, the cost of insurance has skyrocketed to absurd levels, while the care has dropped.

In June my fifteen year old sprained her finger at school and we went to the E.R. to make sure it wasn't broken/dislocated (it was pointing in the wrong direction). The care she received, luckily it wasn't broken, was two x-rays, a splint and a purple ACE bandage.
The Bills:
Hospital E.R.=$1,925.64
The Dr. that looked at her=$526.00
Radiology=$26.00
TOTAL= $2477.64

That's the fucking reality of health care in this country. $2500 for two x-rays and an ace bandage!
So tell me again single young person who never has to use healthcare and has no children to care for what your complaint is.
The system as it is now is fuckin' broke and in need of something, do you have any better solutions ?
If not than lay off the pipe for a while until your head clears enough to know what you are talking about from a perspective
wider than your own little existance. You aren't really as naive as you sound in some of your posts are you?
Or maybe I shouldn't worry about it because Karma will make it all better.

Reading over the portion I quoted again leaves me with this thought, Your an ass!

 

haha! the point i was trying to get across with that paragraph is that healthcare isn't as necessary as everyone thinks it is.

well the complaint is that the government is spending money that they don't have, while overstepping their bounds and taking an active role in the economy. this is just not what our country is about. what happened to laissez faire? regulating the economy is one thing, and may be necessary. but this is entirely too far.

also when you take into account that socialized healthcare has failed in all other countries i don't know why the hell we would want it over here. i have lived in europe. the healthcare is terrible.

this really is the beginnings of socialism. i'd rather have an overpriced system than a socialist agenda. i mean why was healthcare so much cheaper 15 years ago? what led to the massive price increases and corruption? why don't we attack that, rather than just building an entirely new socialist system?

there are tons of other things that should be much higher priority on obama's agenda.

 

Like ending the wars and freeing up money for necessities here.

 

you can't just attack greed. you can't just wave a magic wand and eliminate corruption. they are like festering cancerous tumors that are so deep seated that you need to surgically cut them from their domain. that is why there is so much uproar over this.its going to really hurt these fucking corporations. there are other issues in healthcare reform but the big 7 healthcare providers want you to concentrate on one issue only. fucking greedy fucks. it makes me sick just thinking about it.

and i haven't seen republicans offer any alternative to this. what do you suppose is a better idea? do you want to keep things like they are now? do you prefer the status quo?