States wanting to Secede from the USA

I think it's funny, and I live in Georgia. And no, we are not all racist! There is as much bias from Northerners towards Southerners as they seem to think Southerners possess. I know because I was born in New Jersey and have lived all over the country.

The White House basically laughed at the petitions. Sorry, if you don't like the U.SA., then you can leave.

 

As they say from across the pond: this is "spot on."

You can hear that form of binary thinking in ordinary conversation over here. Since we have two supposed "parties" it seems to follow that there are only two sides to every political issue. When in reality, as we know, political issues are complex and multi-faceted so we should expect more than two positions to be represented in political discourse. But in our current two-party system, all political ideas are reduced to just two. This fits nicely into the hands of wealth, since they have less politicians to buy off.

If the US is to survive in the long run, the back of the current corrupt two party system needs to be broken.

 

That's what you get when you allow power to be exercised from a Central point, and what I've been arguing against.

 

Yeah but you don't address the unhealthy alliance between corporations and government.

 

From the view of the corporations, why would you think they would want to build an alliance with government, meaning the politicians?

From the view of government, meaning the politicians, why would you think they would want to build an alliance with corporations?

In each case, what is it that one has that is sought by the other?

 

Why would a Capitalist not want to build an alliance with government to gain economic advantage?

Capitalists view government as a commodity to be bought and sold for profit. Corporate-government alliances increase profit.

The corporate-government alliance is a transfer of money and power.

 

I would appear the intent is to achieve an impasse, which at least provides some insight to the OP.

 

That's not my intent.

 

It would appear that you wish to discuss capitalists and capitalism rather than corporations and those individuals elected to office who together form what we call our government.

Are you not trying to suggest something as a replacement for capitalism? And if so, what would that be?

 

Indie

Are you suggesting there are no racists in the US?

Oh would you please read my posts, I mean we have been through this before.

To me Obama is a liberal and the Democratic Party, taken as a group, is a liberal party.

Political liberals once supported economic liberalism (what many refer to as neoliberalism these days) because they believed it undermined the political authority of the few. Then many political liberals realised that economic liberalism had led to an economic authority that curtailed ‘liberty’ as much as political authority did and began to turn against economic liberalism just at the point when wealth began to realise that economic liberalism granted them more power in the shape of economic authority.

So political liberals became seen by those on the wealth supporting right as ‘left-wing’ opponents because they wished to undermine the power and wealth of the few. But political liberals were often in opposition to left wing political groups/party’s and many on the left see ‘liberals’ as being ‘right wing’.

For example in the UK at the moment we have a right wing government made up of a coalition of Liberals and Conservatives.

In an American context ‘liberals’ are seen as ‘left wing’ only because much of left wing thought has been systematically purged from US society over the last 50+ years. So without a real ‘left wing’ the centre right liberals are seen as the left wingers.

This is why many outside the US believe that Americans have two right wing parties with a centre right Democratic Party and a more right wing Republican Party.

It is also why many Americans see left of centre parties in other countries and think they’re left socialists/communist and why some even think some of our right wing parties are left wing, I mean we have openly gay right wing politicians and right wingers that support such ‘socialist’ things as the NHS.

 

Individual:

Money and politics are bedfellows. Do you disagree?

Where have I made that suggestion?

 

There's some of everything in the U.S. but not enough to be seen as significant. The same is true in GB, Germany, France, etc.

 

^ I have no idea what your talking about.

 

No doubt, it was intended as an answer to Bal's question "Are you suggesting there are no racists in the US? "

 

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I never said you did. And there are racists everywhere in the world, and probably always will be a small but insignificant number. People are, and should always remain free to think as they wish. That would be impossible to control, so we are left only to abide by the laws of recourse relating to actions, not thoughts.

 

Indie

Yes there are racists in the US and there are people that think Obama is not an American citizen, oh and it’s said that only some 25% of Americans accept that evolution takes place by means of natural selection and also many think they have been abducted by aliens, it takes all sorts to make a world.

But I still think that soar grapes is the main motivation (whatever its basis) behind the secessionist movements in the US.

Taking about these online petitions one has just got the required number of post to get a comment from the Whitehouse and it was a request for the US government to build a Star Wars style Death Star.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/494218/white-house-strikes-back-on-death-star-petition/

 

They pay good money to keep us functionally retarded.

 

Are you claiming the 'racists' are paying good money to keep you "functionally?" retarded? It would seem to me that the term 'racism' is misused and overused as a response when the disagreement rarely, if ever has anything at all to do with race.

 

I claim wealth pays good money to keep us functionally retarded.