Still standing by Bush?

where's the proof that our troops are fighting to free the Iraqis?

oh yeah...FOX News.

plus you think there's going to be an obvious "smoking gun" when the gov't will
do everything in their power to make sure media doesn't divulge certain info?

have you been paying attention to the news lately?? Cheney has come under fire for misusing gov't resources to wage an illegal war in Iraq.

 

But where is the proof that he was actually misusing them though?

 

lol

do you just like playing devil's advocate, or are you really that unaware?


seems like a bit of both.
the war they waged was illegal.. no WMDs were found, period.

plus, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

 

Nonesense, I pay attention to the news every day. Cheney did nothing wrong.

I'm telling you, everyone believed Iraq was a threat before the war started. Cheney believed the intelligence, just as everyone else did. There is no proof he misused them, because he, like everyone else, believed the intelligence.

People want to believe he misused them because people are desperate to discredit this administration! Make Cheney into as big a criminal as they want Bush to be! Pathetic.

And we went to war in Iraq to prevent WMD's from being misused, and that's what we did.

And Iraq supported 9/11 100%!

Have you heard of that certain declassified document the liberal media doesn't want us to hear about? A document that shows Iraq and the terrorists were as close as Bush realized?

 

man, you really have no clue, do you?

you really are brainwashed, at a young age too......

you're not going to find out the whole truth watching network news, kid, and I already explained why.. central intel, and clear channel.
You should watch BBC (PBS) too, so you can see the things you're not going to see on network news, the things ABC and CBS are not allowed to show you.

how did Iraq support 9/11? where are those WMDs??

have you heard of the document that neo-con media doesn't want you to see, that shows the Bush family being business partners with the Bin Laden family?
Please tell me, you were AT LEAST aware that Osama and the Taliban regime was not only funded by, but also trained by the CIA, in 1988, to fight off the Russians who invaded Afghanistan..no secret there, it's a well known FACT.

there is just so much that you are just not aware of, it's sad.. *shakes head*

 

I'm telling you, everyone believed Iraq was a threat before the war started.

The President of the United States said Iraq was a threat, that they had large stockpiles of WMDs, that they had the means to weaponize and deliver those agents, and that an attack against the civilian population had already been planned, finalized, and was about to occur- and that this was certain beyond ANY doubt. To top it off, the Admin said that they they believed that Iraq even had nuclear weapons and were prepared to launch them against the USA.

The President warned us that the evidence was absolute, total, incontrovertable,
and supported by verified eyewitnesses, the scientific community, by EVERY intelligence report, by every expert in the field, by intelligence of the most abslolute and certain type, and had been verified independently. He stated that the stockpiles not only existed, but that we had measured their precise quantities, and knew all the locations of all such WMDs.

When a president gives a dire warning like that, you're almost obligated to accept him at his word. Did I fall for it too? Goddamn right I did.

But it turned out to be LIES, and he knew the entire time that it was all lies.

So go fight for your hero, and stop sending other people to lose eyes, arms, and dicks to make you feel better.

POLYMER: Good to hear a point of view from the Texas Hill Country. I once floated the Guadelupe River alongside the beer-fucked masses (actually I was beerfucked too). I was quite astonished by the simple beauty of that region, and that's a day I'll never forget. But will never quite remember clearly...

 

There's a lot of "holier than thou" and "your brainwashed" attitudes going on around here. It's just my opinion. I respect yours, and I wish mine would be as well. Anyway, I have more clues than a lot of people my age. What about the new documents that have just been released? Showing that Saddam and bin laden really were collaborating? And why shouldn't they have? They were on the same side.

We had to do something, and even though most of the WMD's were not found, they were there at one time and they might have been manufactured anyway if we had done nothing. It was not a lie. We went to war because the terrorists declared war on us on 9/11, and that made a threat from WMD's very real. If we hadn't gone into Iraq, terrible things would have happened. We can count on that becuase 9/11 was a declaration of war on us and told us that we should be exterminated.

I dont form my opinions from Fox News, or anyone. I dont let people make up my mind for me at all. I have read countless books, articles, seen many interviews, and have talked with many people on all sides of the spectrum.

The fact is that the media are liberal, not conservative. We hear about how Iraq is going to the dogs, when in fact real progress is being made. Most Iraqi's are glad that we liberated them, and they're excited to rebuild their country the way THEY want to.

And I'm also well aware of how we funded the taliban and bin laden in Afganistan in the 80's. They stabbed us in the back after all we did for them.

As for the Bush-Bin laden connection, that had nothing to do with Osama. Some in his family wanted peace with the US, and did not nor do today condone what Osama has done.

 

People can laugh all they want, but it's the truth. History will prove Bush right in what he has done as President.

 

Isn't it truthful that Europe is more peaceful now than it ever has been, since fascism there was defeated?

 

yes, yes...good times indeed. Guadalupe and guinness = my kind of fun

and unfortunately, not too many in my home state can relate to the free-thinking point of view, but I guess sometimes simple lives DO come with simple minds; if it wasn't for their good hospitality, and love for barbecue and beer, I'd probably loathe them.
nevertheless, it's very refreshing when I do come across people that aren't so near-sighted in their perspective. There are some out here, but most of the are in the Austin area;though west austin usually votes Republican, because they're rich, and republicans mainly give the tax cuts to the rich.

Justwow, what can I say.. just, wow... opinions aside, and you are entitled to your opinion (that's what makes this country so great), Bush has a bad track record with foreign policy, balancing the budget, and he's a lousy speaker. He rushed us into an ill-prepared war, and it's sending us ever further into a spiralling deficit; unfavorable trade with China isn't helping, but that's not entirely his fault (Clinton had a lot to do with that). This so-called "war", for which we have VERY FEW ANSWERS, is costing lives, money, and resources that would be better implemented here in our own schools, social programs, and economy; by you supporting this war, you're making americans not only look gullible and stupid, you're making us look like barbaric idiots, the same way you think of terrorists.

you are just a kid, so I don't expect your window of perspective to be very big anyway, you lack life experience; all I can tell you is, you're being lied to, and you really should open your eyes more, and look deeper into what's really going on; because based on your posts, it seems you believe, with great conviction, in the grandiose illusion presented to you by this administration.

 

sorry to intervene in this arguament, but this really got to me.
do you honestly believe that people will look back and say Bush was right. For someone who claims to know more than other his age, you really may have screwed up on this point.
Bush will be remembered for changing (ruining) the international political system. before Bush and 9/11 the system was that of Peace Enforcement where the only intervention honarable was that where we go in to create peace and uphold it, and humanitarian intervention. there were holes in this theory, but war with a nation just because of a regime or maybe having WMD wouldn't have arisen re-9/11.

I have no idea if 9/11 was a set up, it would sicken me if it actually was, not that it didn't sicken me anyway.

Bush will go down a failure, who screwed up American foreign policy and its relation with the World. He will not be seen as right

peace, love and sunflowers

 

I'm one of many, who suspects 9/11 was set up; we have no proof, because there's no smoking gun (either it doesn't exist, or gov't did a damn good job of covering it up, the latter is quite likely). I've mentioned too, american media is very closely monitored by neo-conservative agencies:Central Intelligence, Federal Communications Commision, and the corporate media giant, Clear Channel; this is nothing new. Therefore, the only news you see on American networks, is what they are allowed to broadcast. BBC depicts a more accurate dilemma in the middle east.

but if the full truth were shown, in all its treacherous glory, god help us all; the masses would literally lose it..

but of course there would some in denial.

 

Political choice is not an absolute. It is a choice between two alternatives.

Who would I support otherwise ? and why?

 

It's just my opinion. I respect yours, and I wish mine would be as well.

I no longer respect an opinion that urges other people to go do some killing.

 

So what? Osama had nothing to do with that. Or didn't you know that?

Actually no, neither of them were. The CIA had no direct connection with Osama, they never trained him or gave him money. That's what the record shows, and that's what Osama himself says.

And as for the idea that we helped the Taliban fight the Russians, how is that possible when the Taliban didn't even exist until after the Russians had left Afghanistan?

Seems like a whole lot of lecturing for someone that can't get the facts right.

 

Actually, Bush will come to be seen as the turning point when America chose to break free from the socialist grip the left has had upon it for so long.

The neo-socs of the left hate Bush because he represents a threat to their goal: to turn America into a God-less European annex.

 

I think this is a turning point. We're coming to the end of an era. The United States has pretty much dominated the last century. Just like the Brits dominated the century before them and I guess It was the French before them.

Anyways a nations arrogance towards the rest of the world is precursor and a sign of the end of an empire. The American people have become arrogant and thats why they have chosen an arrogant president. In fact it has been a while since we have had a non-arrogant candidate for president.

Bush is our Lord Mountbaten or Napolean. Thats my theory atleast.

 

Who will dominate the next 100 years. Europe or China?

oh yeah. I Stand by Ralph Nader

 

Is this your fear a so-called "God-less European annex"? I do not hate Bush, but I think he would make a much better used car salesman. He (or rather his administration) is terribly skilled at selling the public half-truths and making a case based on loose associations that can later be denied. He will not be seen as a success in any regard... would you please point out a success?
Are we safer?
Is our economy stronger? Our schools? Our safety nets?
Are we more respected in the world?
Has he captured those responsible for 9/11?
Has he brought freedom to Iraq?
Has he stopped nations in his own "Axis of Evil" from going nuclear?

It's hard for me to imagine a less successful run at the white house.

 

Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, and LBJ all had worse terms in office. Bush doesnt come close to the failures of those presidencies.

I'd answer yes to most of those questions. He is still hunting down those responsible for 9/11 (and has brought many to justice), and he is working to stop nuclear buildup.

What about the tax cuts? He pulled this country out of a potentially crippling recession!