Stoners' thoughts on UF student tasered

although i speak with somewhat anominity, as well the internet is somwhat more free-speached based than a public forum.

 

"I admittedly don't know about the whole situation, but why don't I be pissed about it anyway"

you don't resist cops
you are legally able to under unlawful arrest, but even then, it is a terrible idea
he was simply being escorted out, and he started acting like a total jackass
he was completely out of control, the cops had to subdue him, since a sleeper hold prolly would not be taken to too well, his only choice was to taser him

 

Duck - Wrong, that was not their only choice. There were 5+ cops. Look at what we're talking about here. 5 cops. If they're trained so well, they should be able to stop 1 NONVIOLENT person.

The student WAS NOT VIOLENT. And in turn, he was acted upon VIOLENTLY.


Edit: Most of your other points are valid. Agreed, you don't resist the cops.

 

Alright fuck it, lets argue some more. Its fun. But I dont have much time though until after like 5.

No it's not, its just impossible for the fascists to control in the same way. At least right now. I wouldnt be surprised in a few years if you get arrested for speaking your mind on the net too.

The whole purpose of a university is to promote critical thought, debate, and exchange of ideas. Everyone is so brainwashed (in my opinion). When was he even threatening violence? The guy was annoying as FUCK but I have mad respect for people like that who stand up for what they believe in. I think when we are older, as long as we aren't living under a complete fascist regime that suppresses shit even more, its going to be people like that who are respected and called heros and patriots.

Florida is totally fucked up politically man, you have no idea. People get arrested here for trying to collect signatures for unpopular voter initiatives like medical marijuana. I hate to say it but my homeland is not free, maybe it was for a brief time in between british colonialism and corporate fascism, but its not anymore and getting way worse by the month. I try to imagine what it would be like to be canadian where you dont fear the police and govt. you can grow, buy seeds, smoke in coffee shops, walk down the street smoking, challenge the laws, and so many other things that get you completely raped by the state here.

 

Yeah I don't know all the details, but I dont think pigs should even have tasers. I'm against it COMPLETELY. That shit is not as harmless as they've been led to believe, they are fucking sadistic, and taze at every opportunity.

And maybe YOU don't resist cops. But I know my rights and I stand up for them. If that would have been me, I would have been spitting and cussing no doubt. Not swinging though. It's ok for cops to brutalize people over opinions, but if you fight back its a felony

Look I know I have issues with this type of authority, but they did it to me straight up. And I also think my opinions are really based on the reality for a lot of americans. Obviously we have different perspectives about this. And he was not totally out of control.

 

it's legal to resist unlwaful arrest
he wasn't being arrested!

I went to a highschool on the edge of the ghetto, and have many friends that live in the shittier parts of the city
I have friends that are thugs, I know crackheads
and I certainly know tons of people who have trouble with authority

and through me and my families experiences with police, they were prolly only helpful half of the time

yes, you have to stick up for yourself
but that doens't give you any reason to hate all authority, some cops suck, others are trying hard to do their job
hating all authority and giving cops a bad name, and giving cops that are doing their job bullshit, only makes it harder for the good ones to do fucking anything

bitch about cops that are doing something wrong
write to your congressmen and/or your city officials about the use of tasers, and urge for less dangerous methods
maybe start a website about it
but currently tasers are allowed and preferred over other methods, and until that changes, tasering the kid was doing nothing wrong

 

I dunno about that for certain

when I was 5, I had to get stiches, and I didn't know what was goin on, so I was freaking out
it took 6 nurses to restrain me for the doctor to do his job

tasering isn't considered a violent method as far as law enforcement goes I don't think (not certain though) so again, that's somehting that needs changed at the officials' level

 

soooo... what you're saying is......

 

Exactly! He was asking them why he was being detained and they wouldn't answer. That is assault bro. I don't care how you break it down.

I am bitching about cops that are doing something wrong! The entire system is fucked, of course there are going to be some good people mixed in there. But I'm looking beyond that at the cultural elements that are creating this time and time again all over the country.

I love your rationalization that if the law and status quo allow something, then it is not wrong. Just like slavery right? You sound just like my roommate who's dad and brother are cops.

 

restraining a full grown human that is frekaing out like that is probably hard as fuck

my great uncle was an award wining cop =P

but besides that comparing a handful of incidents that happen all over the world, and always have, to slavery is kind've ludacrous

I still don't believe the cops did anything wrong in this case, but again, this is something that could only be solved at the legislation level
stricter sentencing for cops, banning of tasers, that sort've thing

instead of arguing with me, send your complaints to officials that could do somehting about it
compile a list of such incidents that have happened over the last couple of years
a female protester got tasered here in Pittbsurgh once, so there's your start :tongue:


of course when you have enforcers, some are going to abuse their power, so legislation could be used to control and monitor their actions more tightly
I just hope if legislation is made we don't end up with anything like the malpractice system for doctors is

 

inciting a riot was the reason they gave
and that was after the tasering
i believe your allowed to know what your being detained for before you get tasered

 

I do agree that they should have made it clearer to him why they were escorting him away

 

My comparison was that people accepted slavery because it was within the scope of the law. The same way people accept police officers (public servants to protect and serve) sending near lethal voltage into a college students body, and they accept peaceful people being locked away most of their lives for drugs.

The fact is I dont think most people sit there and analyze what is going on around them. They just assume "yup some politicians and cops who are smarter than me said this is best so thats the way it is".

Its the same exact mentality that allowed the holocaust to take place, and is currently allowing genocides in africa.

Thats already taking place. For example in the city I live there are like 3-4 specific steps and criteria they have to meet before they can taze. I know this because Ive had this argument with my roommate about the concept of tasering before this UF shit even happened. The beach cops though will taze you without hesitation. Not too long ago at one of the bars, this dude came out after last call and was drunk as fuck. They said go home and he said fuck you, and they straight tazed him right there for that. No joke. Now I agree it was rude and disrespectful to say fuck you, but that DOES NOT warrant being shot with a taser gun. They should have just charged him with drunk in public for being a beligerant drunk dumbass, something we have ALL done in some form or another without getting tazed.

But its out of control, bc the shit is classified as non lethal and they think its harmless. I know a fair amount of neuroscience, and from that perspective this all seems incredibly barbaric and fascist.

Fuck those dumbasses too. Legislators are bought and paid for by lobbyists, and won't pass anything that decentralizes executive or police powers, and places more power in the people.

My plan is to try and get a law degree then change the status quo by suing the fuck out of everyone, setting precedents and case law.

 

Something is wrong in your head if you think 5 cops cannot detain 1 non-violent individual without using a taser...

Also, did they not think people might speak their mind at a fucking college? Look at how many student activist groups organize and meet at colleges... This should have been taken into consideration long before Kerry stepped foot on the campus. College kids can be loud and rowdy.... is that rocket science? Hardly.

They should have had a plan for how to handle a college kid who may get out of line, and using a taser on an individual who was un-armed, ill-informed, non-violent, and not threating is just WRONG. This isnt the wild west where any joe-schmoe can play 5-0 for a day... pigs gotta follow rules too.

I dont know why so many people here are hanging off 'ol Johnny Law's ballsack... but fuck, this is ridiculous.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA


The best camera view for this, Just found it. take a look

 

It really is man, I am really surprised anyone would think this is ok. It pisses me off that everyone was laughing then clapped when he was removed, like he was some rapist or pedophile getting caught. But especially people that post on hipforums.com. Whatever, maybe the time is now for me to find a woman and just go live in the fucking mountains somewhere.

Here is a video where you can see the questions asked, which of course is stuff the mainstream avoids like the plague. And at the end in particular check this out. Theres a male cop just kind of standing there that could be in there grabbing the fucking kids arms and pulling them behind his back to cuff while the bigass dude was holding him down. In another video I saw from a different angle you could hear and see that guy say "taze him" to the other cop, who then tazed him. Ive been looking for that vid but can't find it now. And then of course the bitch cop standing there yellling at him like he's a fucking dog. I can't watch it anymore, it gets me furious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpMSNjXhhhg

And heres the unedited vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU

And if anyone is interested, heres some scientific backup to my claims that the psychology of our system makes people sadistic.
http://www.prisonexp.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

 

Our psych teacher showed us the video of the stanford experiment, it's kind of sick to see those kids turn into fucking pigs in just a few days and really getting into the role. The others who played the part as prisoners turned into robots following orders and looked like zombies in a cage.. it's amazing.

 

Hell yeah man, it really was crazy to see that. What grade are you in? I was in like 10th I think at 16, and we had no psychology classes at all. Thats cool as shit youre in that.

 

11th this year yeah its an awesome class, my favorite out of any classes i've taken at this shitty school.