Stop Intelligence-Based Discrimination

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Come to Fort Wayne, my friend. See what real stupidity is. Its not mental retardation. its not genetic. its just a community immersing itself in the fantasylands of religion, television and materialism and leaving no time for anything else. Its just so easy, and people here really don't like trying. . . unless its for cash or other prizes.

I have to deal with stupid every damn day. Its horrible and inexcusable.

I'm probably wasting my breath since this must be a joke.

 

this has to be a joke.

 

intelligence is not something one acquires, you dont learn it!
it is something one possesses. it is the ABILITY,or capacity to use the knowledge that one acquires, you can be intelligent whith no knowledge of any thing, you can also be knowledgeable with out the intelligence to put that knowledge to work.

 

someone may be able to spew facts and figures like the speed of light, distance of the moon from earth, and the like but that is not intelligence, it is knowledge. now if you have the ability or capacity to use that knowledge it might equate to intelligence,

 

ahh so hostile! i dont beleive ill get into name calling thank you very much!
see above!

 

seems our disagreement is simply over semantics although, i think intelligence is really the capacity to acquire knowledge. and not just to regurgitate statistics, but comprehend concepts... this is harder for some, but not impossible. which is why i feel that if one chooses to live in ignorance, he's probably quite lazy.

 

I hope someone has come to the realization that this thread is a burning smouldering crater of idiocy.

and it's just going to get worse.

 

aint nun to brite their ease it bo&

 

Isn't not getting into name calling the whole point of being passive aggressive while posting? But I digress.

You think people don't learn intelligence? You learn it through life and experience, both directly and indirectly.

Even if you are right and people ARE born with levels of intelligence? So what? You can not discriminate all you want but at the end of the day the fact remains that are less intelligent.

 

You don't learn intelligence. For the most part, you are born with it. I'm sure that experiences in the first couple of years of life and quality of nutrition influence its development, but after that, your intelligence doesn't change much unless you damage your brain somehow.

Gedio, you seem to be confusing intelligence with education (in the broad sense).

 

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. YOU MORON. You should be banned.

Really, survival of the fittest rules the animal kingdom - for humans "the fittest" can mean all sorts've things. One of those is intelligence.
Stop trying to use your inadequacy as leverage.

I do agree that IQ tests are inaccurate and pointless.



Really, must you be told that your coffee is hot?

The world should NOT be idiot proofed - that would only weaken our entire species.

 

Who are you flaming at?

 

It isn't discrimination, it is sufficiently filling the qualifications required to perform a specific task. That sort of 'discrimination' seems A-okay to me.

If someone REALLY tried their hardest, they'd measure up.
(All of my responses will be given under the assumption that everyone I hypothetically talk about are able bodied and minded people, given (or looked for) the same opportunities, yet 'intelligence' varies.)
Take me and my friend. I think my friend is stupid.
I don't think I am stupid. We have been raised in the same culture, been given the same educational opportunities, taken the same classes, etc. But give her a puzzle and she won't try to solve it because it is too much work.
And for school work, does the work and passes, but does it with no passion. I think this limits the information her mind can hold (and does hold) and keeps her at an unintellectual place. This is a girl that has gotten straight A's all her life, and can't point to her ear lobe when I ask her too. (Whereas I have done the bare minimum to pass)
So if these people are working so hard at becoming intelligent, they'd be there.
If they are working hard at becoming, say, rice farmers, they wouldn't.
That sort of makes your claim pointless.

If they can't get ahead, it isn't their place.
But this last statement, that is pure bullshit.
You are saying that stupid people are poor, sad, and drug using body harmers.
Or is it that all of the people who are poor, sad, use drugs, and harm themselves are stupid?
Hm.

When I began reading this, I didn't know you were including 'stupid people' and 'mentally retarded people' in the same category. I was under the assumption that stupid meant not willing to learn (Which I'm sure a lot of people would agree), not mentally unable to learn.
There is a HUGE difference.
(Have you all noticed that anytime someone wants to make an argument about similar to this they always include Nazi talk?)

I actually don't hear that everyday. If you say you can't define it,
how is this post valid at all?

Reversing discrimination translates to discriminating against all those who originally discriminated.I think this whole argument is virtually the same as the whole' ugly chick/ pretty chick' thing.
Ugly girls are always the ones to protest the discrimination that beautiful chicks and their supporters give, where as in reality, there is no discrimination to begin with, and the entire 'political movement' contradicts it's originally meaning by discrimination against the beautiful girls for no real reason. I think it all boils down to insecurities that people who consider themselves 'unintelligent' have.

That is like saying 'freaker' instead of 'fucker'.
We all know what you mean, might as well say it.
Political correctness if usually the least correct.

This is stupid. Who says they haven't earned it?
So the person who cures cancer shouldn't be rewarded or awarded just because there are people who didn't do a thing who weren't rewarded?
That is bullshit.

I for one think we have to dumb down enough stuff as it is.
And the 'do not put plastic bag over your head' warning isn't for the safety of the consumer, it is to avoid lawsuits.
Sure, 'wet floor' is one thing, but under this notion, there will be signs like 'Don't shoot yourself in the foot' on soda cans soon. It is just necessary.

NO discrimination has been resolved. I discriminate against people wearing peace signs. It doesn't do anyone any good, but I still do. There are STILL people who hate Jews, black people, white people, homosexuals, EVERYTHING.
You can't solve discrimination. Especially not where it needs to exist, like in the context of intelligence. If there is a more qualified person for a job, (and more qualified might mean more intelligent)
Give it to them. Political correctness often gets in the way of common sense.

It is my right as a human being to discriminate against whoever I want. I can hate everyone, if I please. Sure, I can't randomly kill everyone I hate, but that doesn't mean I'm not legally alowed to hate them. That is like saying you aren't legally allowed to love something. It doesn't make any sense.

Yes. Exactly.

Another great post.

Nope. The best qualified get the job.That is how it is, and that is how it should be. There are people who hire x amount of racial minorities here in order to not appear prejudice, while the opposite becomes clear. If there is a white guy who is more qualified for a job then a black woman,
GIVE HIM THE JOB.

 

And on that note- I might as well say that I DO think this has to be a joke, but thought I might as well add my two cents anyway, because otherwise it will rot in my brain until I yell it at the next person who walks in my house.

 

I'm not flaming - at all.

I'm disagreeing.
The beginning is a sardonic exemplary point of what "Intelligence based discrimination" would actually be. Pointing out that, what the OP is saying, is not discrimination at all, but as someone else put it - how the world works.

And, I was disagreeing with OP.

 

It is the prerogative of fools to justify their own stupidity. What you eat affects your intelligence? Are you listening to yourself?

You are making absurd claims and unless you have supporting evidence you really shouldn't bother.

And to the OP who said we need more regulations and warning labels? No, we need far less than we currently have. Stupidity should be painful.

 

Gedio, you are making a fool of yourself.

I refer you to the Wikipedia article on "Environment and Intelligence".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_and_intelligence

One quote:

 

Lmao, did you even bother to read that?

Fine i'll play along, I refer your back to the EXACT SAME wikipedia article which i'll just playfully pull a quote from.

"However, on the other hand, education has been shown to improve a person’s performance on these intelligence tests, from a very young age"

It comes back the whole nature / nurture argument which is MASSIVLY true in the nurture direction.

We are who we choose to be, not who we're born to be.

How can someone be born intelligent? If a child had no human contact from the day of it's birth would it still be intelligent? No. How then can intellect be hereditary?

How do you explain idiots having intelligent children, and vica versa?

How do you explain the correlation between those who attend school and higher education and those who are intelligent (a concept you appear to be using in a Machiavellian sense)?

How do you explain people in third world countries where education is a rarity having a lower intelligence than those who are provided with free (or cheap) education in abundance? (Not racist, just true)

 

"stop discriminating based on merit"

we should let johnny 350 lbs on a 5'2" frame with his diabetes and ridiculously high% body fat become a quarterback in the NFL because if we don't, we're discriminating.

I should say, this whole thread is hilarious.

 

I hope people realise that they’re being played here, don’t they?

The original poster doesn’t believe what he’s written it’s just a con job to bring about the kind of righteous indignation that some here are obliging him with.

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The big problem is that people are talking about ‘intelligence’ when actually they mean how intelligence is gauged, or rather how they gauge intelligence.

You see it can only be based within an individual’s subjective criterion.

In other words people make up there own mind as to what they think of as a sign of intelligent and what is not.

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Is someone that rises in any given organisation more ‘intelligent’ than anyone else in that organisation or just more ambitious or can play the game of office politics more ruthlessly than others, or was just in the right place at the right time? I’ve met all those types.

Einstein was a junior clerk in a patent office where he was passed over for promotion several times, was he unintelligent?

There are many bright, articulate, thoughtful and knowledgeable people who have not ‘achieved’ such promotional success because that was not what they wanted or desired.

There is a certain belief among some that economic achievement has a link with intelligence, which is basically the discredited idea of Social Darwinism. The poor are poor because they lack the ‘intelligence’ of those further up the economic ladder. But the thing is that economic advantage brings advantages that are used to their advantage, and what some claim as merit is only advantage.

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Some seem to believe that ‘intelligence’ can be gauged by some forms of knowledge based test, but is that a true evaluation or just subjective?

One person learns history, another, physics. Then you give the physics student a history exam and the history student a test on physics.

They both fail and are declared ‘stupid’

You then give them the correct exams they pass and so they’re declared ‘intelligent’

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Others that a person’s ‘intelligence quote’ is set at birth, but then how does one gauge it?

Put one person in a nurturing caring environment with every opportunity to learn and grow academically and put the other person in an abusive environment with no access to books or learning, then try and work out which one is ‘more intelligent’.

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Some argue that it isn’t the knowing of knowledge but the way the knowledge is used.

But again that is going to be subjective as it will come under the influence of that persons prejudice as to what constitutes a ‘good’ use or a ‘bad’ use.

As I’ve said I know people who I regard as bright and well informed who happen to hold what I consider to be stupid ideas.

Are they unintelligent?

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I don’t claim to know everything and unless you are a god neither do you, (and to me my own ignorance is something to revel in, it would be really boring to know everything.)

But are we stupid because we don’t know everything?

But you see what people know and don’t know will have an influence on their viewpoint, (and even the same ‘knowledge’ can bring about wildly differing opinions or conclusions).

And that viewpoint will influence how they are viewed by others.

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Ok that was the long version now for something short

What do you consider to be a sign of intelligence?

Because I’m unsure what it is and I’m very unsure that it can be accurately and definitively gauged.

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