stop making kids

I think what people mean by "stop having kids" is that there is no reason to have a lot of children. I understand that you can not tell someone how many children they should or should not have. Having lots of children really does impact the environment even if you do a lot of environmentally friendly practices. What is the need in having more than two children? If you want more than two children, then adopt children because there are many children who would love to have a family and to be loved.

 

Well the news story I saw on the Quiverfull movement. The husband viewed his daughters as breeders and only agreed to allowing his sons to attend college if they showed exceptional aptitude in the profession they chose to follow. Which nothing wrong with that but women also have something to offer the world other than cleaning house and having babies.

 

To me this new right wing movement is a huge step backward in women's rights and consideration for the planet.

 

Actually, since around 3 babies are born to "replace" each person who dies, birthrates would seem to be more relevant. But yeah, long life span makes it all the easier for people to accumulate throughout the world, with babies coming to life, naturally at a faster rate, than people die off. But that should be obviously good news, right? Would it be better, in the deluded minds of the population phobics, if humans were dying off like flies?

Oh, now I remember I think, my point I wished to make, about speaking of nature and harmony. The most natural and elegant outlet for humanity's powerful reproductive urges, is of course, reproduction.

I read in some old book I have, about the population fearmongering, an objection that "birth control" goes against nature. (Well yeah, duh? One of the practical reasons why I don't expect people to bother with it.) But the place (the world) is getting too crowded for people to go on not using "birth control." What rubbish! People, obviously can find room to reproduce, even if they happen to live in "crowded" surroundings. I would much rather live in some "overcrowded" place or world, than to not live at all, because of fewer births.

"World population is barely large enough for you and I to have been born." some internet poster

 

More women in their childbearing years? That's all the more reason, why the wacked idea to "stop making kids" makes so little sense at all. There's more birth canals populated more closely throughout the world, than before.

I read somewhere that the level of contraceptive use, must increase, just to keep up with population growth. Huh? So the author of that, is in favor, of continued growth? As simply trying to match and dupe the growing population, with proportional contraceptive use, doesn't actually "stop" the growth, but rather retards it below what it was meant to be. Rather, I say contraceptive use should decrease, because it's anti-family, and because more and more people would be glad to live anyway.

It's great that there are more potential parents throughout the world, to raise all the children, so that precious human babies may be added to the world, faster than before.

If sex is so wonderful as society makes it out to be, then surely it should be good, for more people to be reaching childbearing age, and thus more people be able to enjoy it.

I don't see much of a public mindset, that cries "Oh No!, I am making too much income. I must spend my money faster and faster, before I become rich or something." Too much money, hardly seems to be a problem in need of "control." Or if there is such a mindset, well it isn't worded in such a way, but rather, in shop-aholic folly. So if population is increasing, why bother to try to reduce or "control" it? Why not celebrate all the births? Why not be happy for all the parents? People are worth far more than money, and human life is sacred, and so we ought not to try to prevent possible human life.

Large families, even tend to use resources, more efficiently per capita.

Why don't more people look at the other side of things? Of all the greater good for the many, that can and does come, from continued human population expansion. Too many people choose to be stupid, and refuse to use the intelligence that the good Lord gave them. If somehow, magically, the world population size could be reduced, or more stunted or stagnated by rampant contraceptive peddling, wouldn't most everything technological, soon start to fall apart, as there gets to be, not enough smart people to keep everything running? We need all this "population" far more, than a lot of people would seem to like to admit.

 

Why do I say, that the human race should be encouraged to populate the planet more densely and efficiently? Because more and more people would be glad to come to life and be born. Most every child is glad to live. Most people want or end up having children. Most every method of "family planning" has proved to be impractical and shoddy, as God never designed humans to use any means of awkward, anti-life, anti-freedom, anti-family, anti-people "birth control." But the planet isn't getting any bigger. Therefore, for the greater good of the many, humans should be encouraged to populate denser and denser, on the global scale at least.

Babies can't remain small forever, and neither can human populations be expected to long remain small and pidly. There comes a time to "grow up," so welcome the planet to grow "pregnant" with people, as it can or does.

Adoption is great, to give children proper homes, but there is also great value in increasing the numbers of people alive, and not merely shuffling or migrating people around. A child not adopted, lives another day to be adopted by somebody else. But a child not conceived, doesn't get to live at all.

So the population phobic or "environmental" idea for people to have big families via adoption, in place of procreation, isn't very practical, and doesn't enough serve the greater good of the many. Instead, adoption is fine, but after committing to the "no method" method of "family planning," to also welcome all one's own children to come to life, as they can or as God allows.

It seems to me, that when there are more people than beds or something, than rather than fight or contend, why not share? Well as there gets to be more people alive, and the amount of land remains roughly the same, shouldn't supposedly intelligent human beings, created in God's image, also share or trade to some extent? There could come to be more places with lots of people, and fewer places far from lots of people. Promote the social graces, promote Christianity and family values, and then increased, swollen populations of people, would be no threat at all. When I travel on some trip, I am willing to share a bed, or sleep on the floor, rather than waste money renting an additional room.

I favor only population accomodation, never population "control" nor "restriction," as human life is too sacred for that, and the faddish population phobia, already fading, is counterproductive towards the proper adaptation I imagine that an increasingly populous world, should need.

People get their value, imputed to them by God, and they value themselves, so each and every individual, is just as valuable and precious, no matter how huge the overall population. Just build more housing, more infrastructure, taller buildings, suburbs upon suburbs or bigger cities, or whatever may be needed, and population phobics stop dissing their fellow human beings.

Funny, I recall having read some lament somewhere, about how people reduce, reuse, and recycle, but they keep on having babies. Huh? But of course. What does all that other stuff matter, except there be lots of people around, to benefit from whatever? (Recycling is overrated BTW, as there are no real shortages of raw material which can be developed, anyway.)

 

Yeah, the name would seem to come from the passage in the Bible, Psalm 127:3-5, which advocates people having many children, as to fill a "quiver," and marrying while yet young. (Children of the youth, I think it says.) A quiver is a container that holds a warrior's arrows. Now what sensible warrior, would enter into a battle, with but only a few arrows? No, one would want a full quiver of arrows. Not the 2 or 3 children that so many "modern" people have, but more like the 5 or 6, or 14 children, that God may be willing to grant or bless them with.

I do not believe humans were designed to use any means of "birth control," and so as more and more women reach childbearing age, and for the greater good of the many, large families should be encouraged worldwide. The body (or God) sort of already knows when to get pregnant, and what could be more natural and elegant of a means of child "spacing" other than an already occupied womb?

Author Charles Provan claims that it is God, who put the natural desire in our hearts, to seek humanity's multiplication and increase. Oh, so maybe that's partly why, most all babies look so cute and adorable? Because they are both subconsciously and consciously, a symbol of humans naturally expanding their numbers. Well of course I want to see the human race blosson and flourish, so I agree with the "quiverfull" idea of more and more women producing babies just as fast as their bodies, or God would allow.

In some Large Family FAQs thing I saw somewhere, I particularly like the one about "Haven't you had that baby yet? Yeah, this is the next one."

The Quiverfull idea, would seem to place a very high value on each and every human life, such that since every human life is sacred, we ought not to interfere with its creation. A more pronatalist and optimistic mindset, would help the world more readily adapt more naturally, to the rising numbers of people throughout the world.

 

Not at all, but because they are valuable individuals, created in God's image, they must be welcomed to breed.

And if you want to talk the greedy and selfish motives of huge corporations and politicians, well they can lead to pronatalism also, even if partly due to possibly perverse reasons. After all, more people, is more future taxpayers, or at the very least, more potential customers. So we ought not to expect the corporations and politicians, if they have much sense at least, to have much interest in somehow reigning in the burgeoning population.

If I was king, you know I wouldn't want to be bothered to "hold people's hands" and tell them how many children they are to be allowed to have. Isn't it the job, of any leaders with vision, to at least try to imagine, how a kingdom might naturally alter over time, to hold more and more people? It's easier to promote the accomodation of more and more people, than to "control" human population growth anyway. As I sometimes say, the world can more easily endure the rising human "population pressure," than people can be expected to wrestle with awkward, anti-life, experimental contraceptives. Can't they build some more suburbs on top of suburbs, build more cities and towns, as we are already used to doing? Why exactly, can't there come to be, more places with lots of people, and fewer places far away from lots of people? If so many people insist upon having so many children, are they really so "stupid" as the "family planning" freaks imagine, as to not even imagine some of the possible consequences? Apparently, since most people go on having babies, most people naturally "consent" to populating the planet more and more densely with people, for the greater good of the many, or at the very least, for the sakes of their own children. And of course, I must "consent" to sharing the planet with more and more people, as they are God's children anyway, and the other planets, as of yet, are still unreachable, so we have to put all the people, where we can put them, and so all countries should be expected to do their part to help the world absorb more and more people, especially their natural increase--their very own children.

Another reason for pronatalism, I am surprised that nobody seems to have thought to mention, is the pesky problem of spontaneous erections, that young boys going through puberty tend to get normally, well at least according to the TV series Roseanne, if that can be trusted? In a pronatalist society, I imagine people then ignore, and respect the person's virtual privacy, or mildly joke about one's need to get a mate. (Humans seem to be among the most horny of God's creatures, BTW, enjoying being constantly "in heat" not confined to some limited "breeding season.") But imagine in some population-"control"-obsessed communist society, in which conformity is probably expected to an unreasonable degree. A spontaneous erection then, might get a person in trouble, putting a person, if they weren't already, "in between a rock and a hard place," and there is little interest in trying to understand the needs of the individual. I would think that a more pronatalist society, would need to more more "easy-going" about some understandable matters, like the (feminist or liberal?) presumed "need" to breastfeed in public places. So many people, so many babies, people eat in public, and children are to be valued and welcome to be born in large numbers, so why not? After all, they already commonly breastfeed in public, in more pronatalist, developing nations. Fulfilling one's obligation to provide for one's children, in such a way, ought not to be embarrassing, or relegated to some dirty public restroom.

And a more pronatalist society, being concerned about welcoming more and more people to possibly come to life, would also tend to be concerned about having a fair and just society, and fixing the frauds in the economy that serve to deny people reasonable opportunity and jobs. It would be a far more family-friendly and pleasant and safe society to live in.

 

Re pronatalist: Buddy, I just read some of your stuff and you're just plain full of crap.

 

OKay, so I didn't read this thread, basicly skimmed and glanced at a few things but I thought this site -- vhemt.org -- might be of interest on this topic. Basicly, it's the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement and their whole goal is to not have kids and try to persuade others to hold off from creating offspring. I found the site interesting, at first I was really sceptical but when I began reading throught some of the reasoning behind it, I started to think harder about it and thought it was a pretty decent idea.
They're not attacking people who have kids, but they do make good points and go over all the reasons people have for wanting children and the possible excuses for their reasoning in a large chart titled "Why Breed?"....anywho check it out, I found it funny and informative, but keep an open mind.

my 3 cents

 

I thought that this might be of interest. There is an Involuntary Human Extinction Movement. Their whole goal is to have more kids on an already overpopulated planet and try to persuade others to have more and more and more kids. In Amerika we call them the Democrats and Republicans and the Christians and the Jews and don't forget the Muslims.

I was really skeptical but when I began reading thought some of the reasoning behind it, I started to think harder about it and thought ...we're fucked!

I know it is a new idea but do you think we could stop fucking for a while and start cleaning up this god damned planet?

My two bits

 

Have the US Airforce do something worthwhile for a change....circle the glode with planes spraying contraceptives all round the globe.

 

I'd have to agree 100%.

Pronatalist, so it is wrong for someone to adopt a child who is from a different area because "God" wanted us to reproduce? Why bring more people into this world when we should help the children who need help?

 

Our planet is going to die, and yet your selfish ass is having kids anyway? You are screwing your future kids and you don't care.

 

Why do you give a crap about your bloodline? You are unimportant in the grand scheme of thiongs. We don't care if your bloodline is nipped in the bud (cmon' karma you can do it!), why do you?

 

Selfish, self-absorbed ***** as always. So you want your children to die an unnatural death so that you can be part of the last civilization on earth? What an ass-hat.

 

EXACTLY how I feel (unless you misunderstood me, are being sarcastic, etc.)... I've noticed that a lot of people around up here are always saying "Oh people in Canada need to have more kids" and I always respind with "no they dont, we are overpopulated" they always disagree...like for instance, my father, who believes that instead of having so many immigrants coming into the country, he thinks we should be breeding enough of our own to sustain ourselves without relying on outsiders coming in and doing work that our children could do. He says we need more "natural canadians"...and then of course I pointed out that even our family werent natural canadians at all either....that quieted him for a minute.

 

The ultimate sin of monotheism is the denial of our intuition and the manipulation of our perceptual lenses (beliefs). Our parents were programmed to look at the world as them and us. Competitive consumerism demands a winner…top dog. But there is a crack in the cosmic egg and some of us have been blessed/cursed with the vision of caring and sharing...togetherness.

The truth is that we are all children of this earth. We can choose to share the wonder of it all OR we can fence it, possess it and own it. (What is your choice?) The human spirit truly reflects the profound cosmic resonance that gives the beat to our heart and the rhythm to our breath. Our nature is to be honest and trusting but our karma (cultural institutions) betrays us. We are taught to search for enlightenment in our intellect when in fact it is our intellect that betrays us. Monotheism is NOT passive. It demands conformity and in the process cultivates conflict. It isn’t so much the ONE GOD bull shit but the PUT NO OTHER GOD BEFORE ME crap. Look at the Jews, Christians and Muslims fighting it out…all from the same mold…my way or the highway.

If we need a fundamental conceptual paradigm let it be Mother Nature. We don’t need to stick our heads in the sky looking for salvation. We need to firmly plant our feet on Mother Earth, plant seeds of sharing and caring, pull the weeds of competition and exploitation.

We need to celebrate who we are...not who we want to be.


...the nature in human nature is Mother Nature and the mother of nature is the garden!

 

Crap. IMHO.