Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

No, I do not believe in the pagan doctrine of the trinity and it is offensive to me that people try to mix this pagan doctrine with true Christianity.

Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1 Corinthians 10:21 (KJV)

 

Daniel 12:10: Many shall be chosen, and made white, and shall be tried as fire: and the wicked shall deal wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand, but the learned shall understand.

Zech. 13:8-9: And there shall be in all the earth, saith the Lord, two parts in it shall be scattered, and shall perish: but the third part shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.

Mal. 3:2-3: And who shall be able to think of the day of his coming? and who shall stand to see him? for he is like a refining fire, and like the fuller's herb: And he shall sit refining and cleansing the silver, and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice.

Baruch 3:4: O Lord Almighty, thou God of Israel, hear now the prayers of the dead Israelites, and of their children, which have sinned before thee, and not hearkened unto the voice of thee their God: for the which cause these plagues cleave unto us.

Heb. 12:23: And to the church of the firstborn, who are written in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the just made perfect,

While none of these prove purgatory in themselves, they all point to a state after death when our smaller faults not truly repented of are refined in the fires of God's glory, we are made perfect, as noting unclean can enter heaven.

Baptism: fairly straight forward.
Confirmation: Acts 8:14-17 - Peeople in Samaria were baptised, but it took the Apostolic Authority for them to receive the Holy Spirit.
Eucharist: Though we differ on what it means, you cannot deny the grace merited to us, and the visble sign of God's love, in the Eucharist.
Holy Matrimony: Jesus blessed marriage when he attneded the wedding at Cana. Marriage is a vivble sign of God's love for Israel and the Church.
Holy Orders: The laying on of hands of a bishop to ordain a man into the ordained priesthood (seprate form the priesthood of believers), just like Paul even though received his mission from the Lord alone, needed to have his mission given to him by the Church.
Reconciliation: 1) The power of the Apostles, passed to their successors, to bind and loose sins. 2) "Confess your sins to one another" James 5:16
Extreme Unction/Anointing of the Sick: James 5:14, priests called to anoint the sick with oil and pray over them. Mark 6:13, the apostles anointed and prayed over the sicj to heal them. this was given right from Christ.

Commitment to Christ means commitment to his Church.

 

Ram, is it for you to insist that I am?!

 

I need a break from posting. I will be gone for a season. And will be back after a season. I pray many will turn unto the Lord and believe the Gospel and call upon Jesus to be saved. The time is nigh. Turn to Christ ye, and believe the gospel.

One needeth no man between your relationship with the Lord. No institution can claim copyrights on King Jesus Christ. No one person is the mediator or controller of Lord Jesus Christ's message to mankind. No Church is just by God that regulates access to the knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ, or by twisting the Words of God to fit their fleshy desires and agendas. No man has the authority above LORD Jesus Christ to create, in his vain wisdom, criteria and obstacles to salvation. No one man is worthy to claim Holiness or infallibility as God and Jesus Christ are the only qualified; the job is not available. Man could not be so, even if he wanted. To try so is foolishness and satanic and punishable by King Jesus. No man is just in suppressing the gospel of Jesus Christ or just by perverting the infallible, inspired Words of God in any age from any people. No single man is better than any other man on this Earth. The pope is a rotten sinner just like you or me. Except John Paul II is burning in hell for his crimes against King Jesus and truth. Christ Jesus came to save mankind through his work on the cross. Our acknowledgment, and our understanding that our sinful nature requires hell is made righteous by calling upon the name of the Lord and taking his free gift of salvation. Through our belief in Jesus Christ are we transformed into new beings that turn from sin and strive to detest all untruths, including false doctrines. To require man to submit to other mans authority for forgiveness of sins, righteousness or salvation is false doctrine and punishable by King Jesus. To teach anything not found in the bible is false doctrine. To establish tradition as supreme over bible doctrine and or to teach perversions of Jesus Christs gospel is Antichrist in spirit.

The Catholic Church is not Christian. It is a satanic plan for persons unaware of truth, for persons who do not known who Jesus really is, and by their lack of faith need to be told what to do from the cradle to the grave. It is a road to hell. Wake up ye, and trust in Jesus Christ. How much do you trust him ? Get a King James bible and read.

See you all after a season.

 

I'm not insisting you are, and it is foolish to deny God and his precious Son. According to the bible, you are foolish if you do these things.

See you after a short season. Turn to the Lord.

 

:seeya: Bye

 

Yes, when god created light it was an act of magnanimous intent. Light is illumination. All life is moved by the spark of life, a magnanimous and ubiquitous intent to be, from the instinct for self preservation to the joy of gratitude. There is awareness throughout this spectral range. God gives life to microbes and sparrows and men. I tell you the children of god remain as he created them and nothing has happened in their lives to change that. The divine spark may become obscured but cannot be extinguished and if the eye be sound then the whole body will be full of light.

I think you should regard the context as I have shown you, light as the source of all arrangement.

God is not a temporary condition.

Verily means truly. Everything is an idea, let the mind be in you that is christ jesus.

Error is for correction, not death. You are mistaken as regards the nature of "the kingdom of heaven". That i may couch my faith in terms you are not familiar with does not mean I do not walk with the holy spirit as my chosen guide in life. You may friend are under the influence of a slander and you slander your brother, me. You call my posts foolish because you have no worthy refute, so you call me unworthy.

Heaven and earth shall pass away. Are we then destined to a temporary heavenly abode? No, heaven and earth will cease to exist as separate states. The kingdom of heaven is at hand, within your grasp. The kingdom of heaven is the emerging recognition of the world as god created it. Forgiveness restores our awareness that we are created in holy innocence. It is the son of man that has the power to forgive sin.

You have no delight in understanding but in strengthening your belief. Belief in your case is a symbol chosen to represent an unknown variable. I am a disciple of christ.

Clearly my world view is that god is the source. Things may appear tragic in time but time ends and in eternity tragedy occurs not at all. The purpose of time then is to allow time to bring time to an end. What do we have to offer?, our attention, that we use our time wisely. Be vigilant only for god and his kingdom.

You are spouting platitudes without understanding.

I am the alpha and omega. Memory is living tissue only, transcendent of that is eternal presence of god.

Friend, the measure you give is the measure you receive. If you find anything to be lacking in this situation, it is what you have not given.

Are you free from the suffering of this "wicked generation"? Seems to me wickedness is your default choice.

"If I were to listen to you I would be going directly to hell." As you see, You condemn, but you hide the fact from yourself by saying it is gods judgement.

The narrow gate is narrow focus. You are much to tolerant of mind wandering to subjects far from the inherent joy of creation. Count it all joy, let the mind be in you that is in christ jesus. If you believe it is your destiny to die, only your own belief in life can save you.

You color your reality regardless whether you believe you do or not. The discipline of christ is a resurrection technology, causing the blind to see, the lame to walk. Causing our life to emerge more abundantly. Where I was down I am lifted.

You must be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.

Because god created the world and saw that it was good. I would be foolish to believe your account, as it lacks the authority of gods judgement.

Because I do not miss the sign of god, "sin". I have sinned, but I sin no more, exactly as i am instructed by the holy spirit. You seem resigned to being a sinner.

Reading obviously is not the same as understanding. We were created in the image and likeness of god, not "sinful" in nature.

Forgive them, they know not what they do. I see desperate acts by desperate men, men fearful of not having enough. The children of god are equal to any virtue and we are not in a world of unprincipled men, but full of men who have learned so well, unsound principles.

In a vernacular that is more pleasing to the spirit of this day. Heaven and earth are diametrically opposed perceptions of the same phenomena and what changes perception is the indwelling of the holy spirit as you allow the holy spirit to choose for you the parameters of truth, or the "soundness of the eye". Your ego might say this guy needs some humility and the holy spirit, should you choose to listen, will tell you he is a child of god and it is the measure you give, that you receive. If you regard me as unholy, so I will be to you, and so you uphold the unholy and deny me the holy, and nothing but your own decision to forgive your verdict against me, will restore your sight of the Holy sonship. I am either your jailer in a wicked world or I am your brother in christ. Let the mind be in you that is in christ jesus.

No one ascends that has not first descended.

I am at peace in a desperate world. The wind blows but my edifice stands unmoved. Helpful is a matter of timing. So, you are desperately mistaken about the help I have. The holy spirit is an excellent teacher, challenging, but never to the point inducing fear. Fear and love are not the same. Where love is, there is no fear, and where fear is, love has been forgotten.

How do you know it is not your delusion?

Pride and humility are the same vanity. I trust god.

It depends on whether I keep his sayings and do the will of our father in heaven. Our fathers command is eternal life, his will, that we en-joy it. Or impart joy to it. Count it all joy.

Well enough, but it is only your choice to remain in sin.

You "name it", I count it all joy. The world did not change, only our perception of it, and it is forever as god created it. We saw that we were naked and hid.

In this world we live for and with each other, in eternity we are co-creator with god. If you do not wish to keep me from the truth, why do you insist that I am without it?

His example is the way, not his personality. But I am taught he maintains integrity and is devoted to our well being.

Satan is a person? Where does he live, phone number?
I am taught that Satan or the devil is the idea that the son of god is unworthy as he is created by god. The tempter was "a liar from the beginning". The child of god was never unlike his creator to begin with and nothing he has done has changed that, it has only made the fact seem obscure.

 

Unless it is yours. What the bible, "really says."

 

I guess you missed it, rambleON is gone for a while.

 

You still casting aspersions on people's mother?

 

OWB to thedope:

I'd guess that you missed that he said he'll be back, if I didn't know you hadn't.

 

I guess you don't understand English, gone for a while does not mean gone for ever. What I was saying was that there is not much use talking to someone who's not there to talk to.

 

Which is why he's writing.

 

Writing? He has not as of yet returned to this thread has he?

 

LOL That's the beauty of it, yes. ( By yes, I don't mean he has returned to this thread yet. : D)

 

Patience brings immediate results. I will wait.

 

You still pretending to what ever?

 

Pretending? What I refer to is a matter of public record. I believe it is you that is still pretending it didn't happen.

 

If you prefer the guilty you may have it. As you judge so you are judged. As I say, no one who loves their mother more than me is worthy of me.

The pretense I am referring to is your accusations against the spirit of life that moves me. Yes, the event you refer to is a matter of public record and the truth of it is there in it's entirety, not just your version. I am comfortable with the event of that conversation because it demonstrates clearly how a man who believes that those who love, also hate, can become snarlingly vicious in the "name of love."

Love and hate are not the same. Hate is a version of fear. Where love is there is no fear, where fear is, love is forgotten.

 

Are you two still arguing about the mother comment months ago?