Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

I'm just trying to get you two to stop arguing man arguing is not a good thing to do.

 

Personally, I'm not arguing with the dope, that would mean I was angry and I am not, I'm merely reminding him that he is still trying to weasel out of a apology for insulting my mother in vain attempt to get at me.

 

Actually no, it is you again trying to make something out nothing, making judgements about me with out even bothering to check your facts.

In this case I said something to someone else and you reacted like I was talking to you and I simply reminded you that I was not talking to you and then you attack me with this nonsense.

 

The whole discussion is found in the thread http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=429070 if you want to look it up.

The exchange went like this:

#312
You should be aware that seeming is a matter of perception.
#321
No, in this case it is a matter of politeness and not a matter of perception.
#330
You are not good a feigning politeness, why don't you speak the truth?
#342
I'm not feigning anything, that is the way I was raised. Whether I'm good at it or not is a judgment call and once again the one who says we should not judge has judged me. Can you say contradiction?
#349
You were raised not to tell the truth?
#353
What did my mother ever do to you?
#355
Absolutely nothing brother. You said your mother taught you to be polite, I asked if she taught you how to lie?
#359
You cast aspersions on my mother, who in your own admission never did anything to you and you don't even have the common courtesy to apologize.

This is not everything that was said but you can look that up for yourself, if you wish.

 

I took the time to look it up and Yes that is true. You did not first mention my mother and although you did not know it, I was raised by my mother and so when I read "You were raised not to tell the truth?" that to me meant my mother, as you would say a matter of perception and I apologize for indicating you were the first to say mother, I was mistaken.

But interestingly when you asked; "You were raised not to tell the truth?" and I responded; "What did my mother ever do to you?", you responded; "Absolutely nothing brother. You said your mother taught you to be polite, I asked if she taught you how to lie?".

Now you could have responded a great many different ways, such as; why do you ask or no I meant disrespect, only to ask if you were raised to believe that you have to lie to be polite etc but no, you quickly rephrased the question to not only include my mother but to make it more insulting by asking if she had taught me to lie. Thus implying that I'm a liar and that my mother taught me to be one.

The simple question is if that is not what you were implying then why is it so hard for you to say; that is not what I was implying and I'm sorry if you got that impression, what I meant to ask was ....? Wouldn't that be the loving Christian thing to do?

 

Isn't it long passed that a mod stepped in and get this thread back on track? Did he/she fall asleep, or is there not even one for this section?

 

God is the mod for this section? : D

I have read the material in question, and I am certain now that it's really OWB who is casting aspersions on my own mother!

 

On your mother? Really? Well that's one way to look at and I'm sorry if you feel that way.

 

Why don't you just post something about the theme of the thread, instead of just complaining about it or trying to drag a mod into it?

 

Because you are being snippy with everyone else in the thread, and frankly I don't want to deal with you. Simply putting a smiley at the end of a sentence doesn't convince me of good intentions when you are so hell bent on being argumentative. And the thread was going fine, but your silly argument is what derailed it, why would I or anyone else want to post through all the noise the two of you are making? They don't, and so no one does. When anyone tries to get you to stop, you begin bickering with them, so clearly a mod is needed. Obviously you can argue with him all you want, but please take it to private messages or on your respective boards. You can say you aren't angry all you want, but you've been asked nicely to take it somewhere else.

 

I would point out that it is impossible to love that which we find offensive or insulting. That is why you feel the need to defend your mother. You do not defend against a friend. I will tell you a simple truth about the nature of our experiential conditions in this world, if you defend yourself you will feel attacked whether there is a real attack or not, and you only defend yourself when you have determined first that there is danger. Giving and receiving are the same truth.

As far as vain attempts, I could not have written better responses for your role in this matter than you have given. I am actually surprised at the level of vehemence that has been exposed. I do not mean you the slightest harm
I only wish to demonstrate good reason for you to soften your view because you would find the world a friendlier place.

 

I apologize for any unseemly behavior. My intent is to demonstrate principle. If you would notice my comments are working on the theoretical underpinnings of christ teaching. They are not meant to flay waterbrother although waterbrother has chosen to press his case against me long beyond any sane reason, thus providing a consistent exemplary foil against which to demonstrate these things in an experiential way. I have thanked waterbrother on more than one occasion for his role in our discussions and have thought him gracious to continue speaking to me.

I agree, it is not pretty, all the same there may be valuable instruction come of it. I guess it depends on what we want to find.

 

I would ask if this story you tell makes you happy. If you would like it to be different, then tell a different story.

I tell the truth. As far as the loving christian thing to do, Love is without condition. Be free with your care. I love you as myself and I have chastened you as I have been chastened and would want to be. I want to succeed, if my eye offends me I pluck it out. Insincere smiley faces don't do it for me.
I am sincere when I say I had no intent to insult your mother. My intent was to draw out the natural conclusions of your beliefs.

 

You are right, I do not love insults to my mother.

I defend against attack.

If someone is a friend then they act as a friend and do not do things that it is necessary to defend against.

What? You got the first part wrong, it is the nature of defense to only defend when feel attacked not the other way around but then you got it right in the second part.

That is true.

Yes, I didn't know that a person that talks so much about love, such as your self, could be so vehement.

Other than being insulting you mean.

I would be hard pressed to find the world a friendlier place but so nice of you to try but I would suggest that insulting my mother and me might be the wrong way to go about it. The means do not justify the results.

 

Really, sorry if you feel that way and apologize if I have offended you.

Isn't discussing things kind of the purpose of being here? Do you really want everyone to say yes sir, anything you say sir?

Actually the thread was going fine till rambleon took a break, leaving a bit of a void and I expect if and when he comes back it will once again be the thread that you want it to be.

The dope and I are in a multifaceted discussion that you don't seem to have a grasp on and have tried simplify into something it is not (bickering?).

Then you must not want to talk about it very much. Personally I've been in threads that had several discussions going at the same time and that did stop anyone from not posting.

Get us to stop? Do you even bother to read what is being said? It is not what you call bickering, I'm sorry but you are not seeing what is going on. I bet when you read Animal Farm you thought it was just a silly book about talking animals.

My friend if you want to discuss the OP fine I will discuss it with you but you need to post something that you think is about the OP, instead trying to interfere with the discussion that the dope and I are having that quite obviously you don't understand.

As for taking it to our respective broads, this is our respective boards we are both "Christians" and are discussing our respective beliefs in the Sanctuary forum. Might I ask if you are a "Christian" yourself?

 

I feel the same way about you, except for the "long beyond any sane reason" which seemed a little unloving.

I agree.

 

What story did you have in mind? If you are talking about the truth from the Bible then yes it makes me happy.

As for love having no conditions, love has lots of conditions, such as Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

Thanks.

Please remember that for Christians the ends never justify the means.

 

Oh, I forgot to invite you along for the ride if you want to come along.

 

I rest my case.

 

The difference between your response and OWB's is rather telling, I might add.