Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

It's funny what even some very knowledgeable people will believe.

Yes, that is what the Bible seems to indicate.

 

In the bible are different writers with different personalities and different writing styles. Language is stylistic to place time and individual. No, the author is not "wrong", it is a figure of speech.

You would do well to consider what I am saying rather than comparing it to your traditional beliefs. This is what christ is talking about when he asks peter what he believes, What do you say, he asks, what is your experience of it. It is obvious that you are not weighing my words with the open mind and heart of believing all things, hoping all things, and bearing all things.

Honestly, I have taken a look at it and I have worn the teachings of christ in my life and I am telling you it is not about taking "frivolous oaths", but serious oaths because they create in us divided loyalties. Simply let your answer be yes or no. Let god's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

 

So, the truth depends on the writers personalities and writing styles?

Unlike you, I consider what you say very carefully and compare it to what God's word says. That is what the Bible tells us to do.

My experience of your words is that they overstep the commandments of God.

Believing all things is not talking about believing things that are not true.

It means that I believe that you may yet be turned away from your incorrect understanding of God and Jesus Chrit, I hope that you may yet be turned to true worship and I bear your judgements against me out of love for you.

Why do you continue to just make it up as you go along and not even bother to check what those borne along by the Holy Spirit have said about it?

As I said, what about God taking oaths, are you putting God and Jesus at odds in this matter?

 

do something that that completely removed conscience thought. like strangle your self.. til them,. your just talking out the side of your neck and it still dont matter...

youll need to do it all over again.. And that will take another eternity...

 

PS: fuck you and your earthy gods.

 

Orison! My goodness!!!

I'm glad my God isn't earthly.

(Edit - and probably not earthy either)

 

Do we get to bring toys?

 

No, not the truth, the words they use to express the truth. For instance, in an ancient vernacular one might say the beginning of wisdom or knowledge is the fear of god. Another way to say the very same thing is to say, the beginning of wisdom or knowledge is circumspection.

Why do you say unlike me? Why do you consider me unworthy, for anything?

Then obviously you are not familiar with god's will. I cannot be greater than the father but i can be like him because I am as he created me.

Excuse me,, you have just described your hope that I be redeemed from your condemnation of me. Check with the holy spirit how? None of what you just said is in the bible.

You are wrong straight up about the nature of love. Love does not seek it's own. Love is without condition. The things you listed are not "all things", but specific things that you have decided to be interested in.

As I said god does not take oaths, why would he, god wills. And christs teaching on the matter is as I said. No I am not putting jesus and god at odds in this matter. Jesus and god are not at odds on this matter.

No one can usurp the power of god. God is not mocked.

 

Some Old Testament Verses about Love
Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. (NIV)

Proverbs 17:9
Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends. (NLT)

Proverbs 17:17
A friend loves at all times, and a brother is born for adversity. (NIV)

Proverbs 30:18-19
There are three things that amaze me—
no, four things that I don’t understand:
how an eagle glides through the sky,
how a snake slithers on a rock,
how a ship navigates the ocean,
how a man loves a woman. (NLT)

Some New Testament verses about Love
Matthew 22:37–39
Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' (NKJV)

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. (NIV)

1 Corinthians 13:4–8a
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails ... (NIV)

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Proverbs is a great book and I have not been a good example for you, I apologize. I did notice that proverbs 30: 18&19 is somewhat dated in it's proclamations.

The purpose here is not to itemize wrongs but to explain what is the same and what is different.

 

No, it is not the same thing.

Circumspection merely means all things considered but the Scripture mentioned is saying to consider God first, if you are to be wise.

I say it because you don't seem to be doing it.

And who said anything about being unworthy? Unworthy of what?

Really and what is this "God's will" you speak of? Surely contradicting God's word the Bible can't be God's will.

No you were not created by God, you are merely the offspring of sinful humans.

In what way have I condemned you by what I have said?

Saying you have an incorrect understanding of God and Jesus Christ does condemn you, only your continuing to do so would end in condemnation. Hoping that you may yet be turned to true worship does not condemn you, only your failing to do so would. And as for bearing your judgements against me out of love for you, does not condemn you, only your continuing to judge would do that.

Actually I was showing you how I was appling the love described 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 to you, I guess you miss that.

I have repeatedly shown you what 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 says and that it shows that love does have conditions but yet you continue to say "Love is without condition". A loving person is to believe "all things" but that doesn't mean one should "unconditionally" believe the lie.

And yet many who wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said that God does make oaths, once again you directly contradict the Bible and the guidance of the Holy Spirit

No, it is not.

If you continue to say that Jesus' words apply to what God does, then that is exactly what you are doing.

You are correct, one should not mock God.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

So much for 'sanctuary'.

 

So what!! Freedom for the right was: also about morals, being moral, and conclusively; by loving the truth; in this way, one could be rewound as: The truth shall set you free.

I believe you wanted to say that you're politically correct and left for It. Evolution is revolutionary or something like that to compose the possibility of your "your outburst of passion" (I hope) would derive the truth for the faith in the mind of schooled lessons: in other words you wished that the right lesson should teach the actual psychological nature of man with the faith in justice: not always available for the heart: By the human natural experiences of the person. Freedom was the opportunity for accomplishing the essential belonging in Human nature. In such a way, the economic necessities of life
would encourage you to ignore me. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA" DO ABOUT IT?

 

No, it says the beginning of wisdom is the fear of god. Not fearing god first, is the beginning of wisdom. That you "fear god" at all no matter when you consider things is the salient point. And yes it means the same thing using a contemporary, unaffected vernacular. The word "fear" in this passage is a way of saying, being circumspect. It does not mean fear in the sense of terror. We are called to love. Fear and love are antithetical to each other. Jesus says to love god with all your heart and strength and mind.

So we need to read our scriptures in the context of "consistency of premise",
to penetrate ancient vernaculars that may cause confusion about the nature of things.

I am listening to you and taking up your points. I will never agree that gods unadulterated word is the bible. Jesus did not, teach such a thing.

How come you don't respond around the passages I quote concerning the holy spirit? Is it because no rushing of wind or tongues of fire had settled on you?

Of being created by god, of receiving the gift of the holy spirit.

Gods will is abundant life to the point of eternal. It has not one thing to do with discussing beliefs.

And so you call me unworthy.

See above. Not only me but everyone on the planet.

No the only thing would be blaspheme against the holy spirit, because the holy spirit is the communication between god, christ, and ourselves. Without the holy spirit, the spirit of god's love, we are lost.

I know what you are trying to do, but as I say you failed to comprehend the passage evidenced by your self centered desires. You hope for specific things that you feel are in best interest, but they are your interests, not god's. God knows me in secret.

And I told you it is a figure of speech. Jesus said his words were not his, but his fathers. God wills, does not take oaths or bargain with evil.

Yes, every bit.

Here you have misunderstood the passage. It is not, god should not be mocked, it is god is not mocked. Another way to say it is what god gives is truly given or what is real is real. You may feel that god can be mocked, but it changes nothing about you or god if you try to mock god.

 

So now you don't understand English?

The beginning is what comes first.

Yes it is the salient point.

Once again, circumspect carries to mean of taking all things into consideration, whereas all the Scripture is talking about is taking God into consideration first.

You are correct.

Yes we are.

No they are not.

Yes, that is what he says.

We need to read the Scriptures like they were meant to be understood and not like they're some kind of mystical mumbo jumbo.

You need to listen to Jesus a little more.

What passages might that be?

Well you weren't created by God, Adam and Eve were.

As for the Holy Spirit, I never said you weren't worthy of receiving the Holy Spirit, that's not for me to decide, I merely pointed out that the spirit that talks to you is not the Holy Spirit.

Jesus talks about doing God's will, so then according to what you just said, how are we to do God's will?

Telling you that you are no different than any other human alive to day, by saying that you were not created by God, you are merely the offspring of sinful humans?

Again, how does telling you what God says, condemn you?

We are all condemned but we can be saved from that condemnation.

The big problem for you is that you don't don't believe in Jesus' sacrifice and so that makes it pretty hard for you to apply that sacrifice to yourself.

Self centered desires? And what might they be?

Also, God knows everyone, not just you.

You've told me a lot of things, most of which had no basis in reality.

No it is not, once again you are just wrong on many levels. YOU just read something and then make snap judgement on what it says and insist that is what it means no matter how much evidence is shown that prove you wrong.

Try reading the Scriptures in context some time, perhaps then you might actually understand some of what it is talking about.

 

Telling you that you are no different than any other human alive to day, by saying that you were not created by God, you are merely the offspring of sinful humans?[/QUOTE]
Who is the accuser of the children of god? He was a liar from the beginning.

I am taught to call no man my father but to love the father of us all in creation.

I do not condemn you, you are your own judge as it is what comes out of a man the defiles him, or the measure we give is the measure we receive, or by our words we are justified and by our words we are condemned.

Again who is it that accuses the children of god?

i believe in christs love, why is it a problem for me if jesus desires mercy, not sacrifice. Loving service, not self sacrifice.

read it again, it's there.

Do you know me in secret?

So you say, are you speaking for god? You can't prove me wrong, but you could convince me with truth, but you are sort of muddle headed about that.

 

thedope:

There was something I wanted to write in reply to this, but this may as well be it! : D

 

And what does it say the beginning of wisdom is? The actual Scripture not what you are tying to make it say.

My reply was aimed at your statement; “we need to read our scriptures in the context of "consistency of premise", to penetrate ancient vernaculars that may cause confusion about the nature of things”. You pretty much make it up as you go, talking about needing “to read our scriptures in the context of "consistency of premise"” and “to penetrate ancient vernaculars”, so as to obfuscate your lack of an "consistency of premise" in what you are talking about.

You keep making up things like, “where fear is love is forgotten, and where love is there is no fear” but show no proof, so we just have to take your word for it.

No, if you bothered to read the Bible, there is nothing “mystic” about it. In the bible it is quite easily explained without any of your mumbo jumbo.

Jesus is the Christ, so the fact you hear one but not the other calls into question what you are hearing.

The Bible does not talk in psycho-babble, it doesn’t talk about ego.

As for death, the first lie that Satan told was you will not die and there are those who still support that lie. Also the Holy Spirit would not support that lie or teach others to support it.

The Holy spirit leads to the truth and it sees you as you are, a sinner in need of redemption.

No I am not a direct creation of God but was born of my mother and father us s you are.

You really think that Jesus was here telling you that you should deny you had an earthly father?

On does not follow from the other, just because I don’t consider you unworthy, does not automatically mean you are telling the truth.

I do not judge the Holy Spirit but we should test out all “inspired utterances” to see if they are from God or not.

Okay but that would include some things that I don’t think you take into consideration.

That accuser did not originally accuse the children of God but accused and slandered God, himself.

I too call no one my spiritual father but that does not mean I did not have an earthly father and that I should not call him such. Where’s the honor for your mother and father?

Nor I you but you are condemned any way.

And so what unprofitable thing have I said, are you saying has condemned me?

Again who are you calling children of God?

Well, like I said you have to accept Christ’s sacrifice to be able to apply it to your sins. But since you don’t believe either exists that’s going to be pretty hard to do.

I asked you, since you refuse to answer, I guess they don’t exist.

No, why did I say I did?

Muddle headed?

The truth is I constantly show you where you are wrong but you refuse to see and your refusing to see doesn’t make what you say right.

As for speaking for God, in a way, yes.

 

I am not trying to make it say anything, I am pointing an interpretation which proves to be consistent in premise rather than an interpretation that is self contradictory. It written the beginning of wisdom is the fear of god. We are to be wise as serpents yet innocent as doves. We are to love god not fear him, they are not the same.

I don't care if you were replying to the moon. You have not demonstrated inconsistent premise on my part you only say that's not what the bible says.

Actually I am teaching as I am taught by the holy spirit, they are not words, "I make up". And I don't expect you to take my word for it simply look at your own inner life, honestly, how you really behave rather than how you believe you must be, you would see that what I am saying is true. Fear flees in love's presence, they cannot abide in the same place.

Here we go again with your lack of facility with the english language. What you believe you know interferes what what there is to know.

mys·ti·cal [místik'l]
adj
1. with divine meaning: having a divine meaning that is beyond human understanding
2. of mysticism: relating to, involving, or associated with mysticism or mystics
3. with supernatural significance: having supernatural or spiritual significance or power

4. mysterious: mysterious or difficult to understand

I asked you if you heard the voice of jesus? The scripture that the holy spirit be sent to teach us all things, the comforter, confirms what I say.
Since you do not acknowledge the holy in yourself, or anyone else, how can we expect you to recognize the holy spirit?

The bible doesn't use modern vernacular and yes it certainly talks about ego but you just don't recognize it as such. Love is not proud or boastful, or seek it's own, egotistical pursuits. The bible doesn't speak of many things. Doesn't speak of electricity for example but electricity and electric usage is one of the most profound facts of our life at present.

The first lie was that they were not like god. Also you are correct the holy spirit does not teach lies.

The holy spirit see me as I am, creation of god, child of god, progeny of god, created in the likeness and image of god. The holy spirit says no such thing to me, but you do!

We are born through our parents but created by god. Your parents did not create you.

No, but that you call no man your father but identify with our father in heaven.

How do you test inspired utterances? I tell you, you wear them in your life and observe the sensation that follows. The eye is the lamp of the body, if the eye be sound the whole body will be full of light. Comparing what I say to your beliefs is not testing for truth, you can be mistaken, in your beliefs.

Fortunately, you are not my father or my creator and your thoughts affect you most definitely and me if I agree, if they are my thoughts also. Our minds are a kingdom that we alone can rule.

How many accusers are there, you and who else?

Actually, you call adam your father, descended from adam who was created by god. Honor your father creator and mother earth that your days may be long in the land.

Only by you.

I didn't.

God is the creator of us all.

Actually it is the son that has the power to forgive sins, I am forgiven as I forgive because by my words I am justified or condemned. I do not condemn because to do so, would be my own condemnation. Are you beginning to see the light? If the eye be sound?

I answered, I guess you refuse to listen, unless it is the answer you want to hear.

No but you said god knows everyone in secret, like it was irrelevant that I said god knows me in secret, that is, he knows me much better than you do. You don't recognize me at all.

Yes very much muddle headed, inconsistent of premise, split minded. Believing that fear and love are the same. You don't show me where I am wrong, you call me wrong because I do not believe as you do. I am created by god, not by you.

To say we are guilty is an accusers act not the act of god. God has judged man good, very good, created in our own likeness and image. No one ascends who has not first descended. We are in the world but we are not of it. We are creation in the image and likeness of god.