Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

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  1. arthur itis

    arthur itis Senior Member

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    If indeed David was inspired by the H.S. to call down judgment upon his enemies, how then could Jesus own words contradict his?

    the Bible also includes words spoken by His enemy, Satan. Are Satan's words also inspired by the H.S.?
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    How is your current position fundamentally different from that of Satan's first lie, you shall not die?
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Such as?
     
  4. arthur itis

    arthur itis Senior Member

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    "Love your enemies,,," "Pray for those who spitefully use and abuse you",,,"Bless those who persecute you",,,etc.


    David's spirit was altogether wrong towards his enemies.

    It is superstitious to attribute "God's speaking" to the entire Bible. Some of it simply gives an example of how a "man of God" can be off, living according to his own natural inclinations, for "evil" or even for "good".

    Remember, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is still with us today. Neither "good" nor "evil" are "Christ". The point of the NT is all about another person, not just a better "way".
     
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    Sometimes the H. S. called the effort for the absolute essence for existence to be existed (by Jesus uniquely), sometimes he cared essentially for the effort of Calling freedom into existence.

    Well then freedom was causing the human to do things against His own nature. He may or may not know How Come.
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    No, read again Satan’s first lie was; “YOU positively will not die”.
     
  7. thedope

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    Pleased to meet you. Familiarity with your surroundings ends the need for suspicion, or the truth sets us free. The reason people can do inhuman things to others is they say, it is not me, or mine. Therefore, I love my brother as myself. We are constrained by the self organizing principle of life, which in it's simplest form, has an instinct for self preservation, and in it's most complex, appears the gratitude of knowing you are and that you are among all of it.

    Fears range is suspicion at least to viciousness at worst, what else does it have to process the world?
     
  8. roamy

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    dont worry. i am. i was invited ta meet the dalai lama once you know. i like him.he is a very real in spirit person.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    So Jesus' words were retroactive?

    In any case, the David's words were not wrong towards his enemies, they were God's words spoken by David or did you not read that "All Scripture is inspired of God" and "prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit"
     
  10. arthur itis

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    I tried "loving my brother as myself". I found out two things:

    1)Some people aren't my "brother". They may actually be pigs, ready to take my generosity and trample it underfoot. ("Cast not your pearls before swine,,,")

    2)Jesus used the term "neighbor", since He had no intention to call us all brothers. The first mention of his disciples as "brothers" was in John 20, where he begins to call them "brothers", since He had, by that time, resurrected, and had infused the disciples with the Spirit, making them children of God by birth.
     
  11. thedope

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    God's command is eternal life. Surely we are subject to transience in a world made of both light and dark. In this sense, we choose what god said awaited there. Your turn.
     
  12. willedwill

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    Peace be with you all. I need to go to sleep; I have too much to worry about.
     
  13. arthur itis

    arthur itis Senior Member

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    This quote of yours refers to the fact that yes, indeed, the scripture has been inspired of God. God inspired men to record some of the worst mistakes, some of the worst things a "holy man" can do, in order to use these as an example, as a warning.

    Without the clarification of Jesus NT words, we all might be taking revenge daily on our enemies, practicing our kung fu for the next time we get struck, ready to "mess up" our enemies, "for God".
     
  14. thedope

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    Then have you considered that whole and holy are synonymous terms in different vernaculars, one secular, and one religious so to speak?
     
  15. arthur itis

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    To worry is to live out our natural life. It's what we do best.

    To live in peace is our inheritance from God. Exercise faith to pray, to address your worries at the incense altar, using intercessory petition, asking the Lord to intercede on your behalf, in your circumstances.

    Cast these worries upon Him. Keep casting persistently until peace is all that remains.
     
  16. roamy

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    if you can tell me what synonymous and vernaculars mean, i'll let ya know what i think then.
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

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    God's command is eternal life? And the scriptural backing for this is?

    As for your "question", How is your current position fundamentally different from that of the rabble that cried give us barrabas because the thought that someone could claim to be a child of god was so abhorrent to them that they wanted him dead for blaspheme?

    Well, for one thing the "rabble" didn't "cried give us barrabas because the thought that someone could claim to be a child of god was so abhorrent to them that they wanted him dead for blaspheme", in fact they probably didn't even know why the chief priests wanted him dead. Was for the Chief Priests, they were the ones who trumped up the blasphemy charges and knew they didn't apply to Jesus but had him to death for them anyway.

    Also I believe Jesus not only to be a "child of God" but "the only begotten son of God", so no I would not have been crying out for his death,
     
  18. thedope

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    Words that are synonymous with one another, mean the same thing, A vernacular is the common language of a group. In this case it is common tor the secular to say whole, while with the religious the word is holy. You would consider your self whole but not holy. Or maybe you think "holy" beyond your pale? Do you consider yourself unworthy of wholeness? Obviously if you conceive yourself whole, that is not the case.

    Words are symbols for conditions and the condition of wholeness, of completeness, is the same as the condition holy, seamless, without blemish.
    It is quite possible to state the same principles as I discuss in a religious forum, in way that is devoid of what we associate as religious reference. But that does not make the principles less, it only means that there is a group with a different way of saying things and a wider audience.
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    Actually, Jesus was just pointing out what was already said in the "OT" but was not being done and is still not being done by many who call themselves "Christian".
     
  20. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    He probably recently stumbled across these words and is using them repeatedly to see if he can use them in a sentence.
     
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