Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

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  1. thedope

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    A question for you waterbrother,
    What does it mean, the eye is the lamp of the body, if the eye be sound the whole body will be full of light, but if the light in you be darkness, then how great the darkness?
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

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    And I indicated that Jesus and the Bible are one side, not two sides and said that only you would try to make it seem like Jesus and the Bible are on opposite sides.
    What are you talking about?
    What rules are you talking about?
    Yes, I do.
    Some do some don't.
    Well for one thing I have always indicated that the Bible is God's word and have never said that it is just a good book written by men, that might have some of God's thoughts, here and there.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

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    For one thing it means that your spirit buddy is not the Holy Spirit.
    (Ephesians 4:5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism
    Surely you can come up with a better insult than this.
    God cannot be contradicted? Well you do it ll the time but for another example, God said if Adam and Eve ate of the tree they would die and Satan contradicted him by saying; you shall surely not die.
    You argue against the truth all the time, as do others. And your doing so does not change the truth but that doesn't seem to stop you.
     
  4. thedope

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    I am a disciple of christ, who's side are you on.

    In the name of christ.
    That i should be able to express my beliefs in peace.
    What you say about me?
    I will put out a call, does anyone here not know what waterbrother believes, i.e. the bible is, the word of god. Is, as in a state of being?
    Well for one thing I have always indicated that the Bible is God's word and have never said that it is just a good book written by men, that might have some of God's thoughts, here and there.[/QUOTE]
    I believe the bible contains word symbols that represent the living word of god. I believe the bible also contains word symbols that represent all the conditions that man finds himself in. If you want to quote my beliefs, then do it succinctly and not as you would portray them.
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

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    It's talking about keeping focused on spiritual things, especially on seeking the God's kingdom first in our lives.
     
  6. thedope

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    Why?
    I have one faith, one lord,and have been baptized twice, once with water and once with the holy spirit.

    Aping as in repeating. Take it as you will, you are the salt of the earth, I intended no insult but request a decent hearing.
    It is not flesh and blood with which we contend, but principalities and powers.
    We die in spirit with every proclamation of evil we make, surely this is the case. God did not condemn man to death but said that he would be subject to temporary conditions.

    You argue against the truth all the time, as do others. And your doing so does not change the truth but that doesn't seem to stop you.[/QUOTE]
     
  7. thedope

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    What does your eye see?
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

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    There are only two sides, God's and Satan's and I am on God's side.

    There is no such thing as you are trying to say the Christ and the Bible because they are both on God's side.


    Okay.

    The rules don't expressly say that but I've tried that but you wont leave me alone.

    In all of our conversations I have said very little about you personally, mostly I've indicated that I believe you are seriously mislead.

    I don't know if I believe what you say I believe here.
    Well if you were a little less ambiguous in what you say, it would be easier to be succinct in describing it.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    Try to keep up.

    The Bible was written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, your spirit buddy tells you that that the Bible is not God's word. So what is it? Are these men, who we know wrote under inspiration of Holy Spirit, telling the truth or are we to believe your spirit buddy that is pretty much telling us to ignore most of what was written and believe it.

    So why did you seem to disagree when I said that there is but one faith?


    While aping and repeating have similar definitions their connotations are different but then you know that don't you?

    And how is "For dust you are and to dust you will return" a temporary condition?
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    You haven't shown any particular interest in what the Bible has to say before now, why do you want to know now?
     
  11. thedope

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    What do your eyes see waterbrother?

    What do you mean you don't know if you believe the way I say you believe, that you are not quite clear on the truth?

    You have gone to great pains it seems to make sure that your beliefs are known, and no one has come forward to claim ignorance.

    Do you blame your behavior on me, that I "won't leave you alone"?
    Those who do the will of god are my brothers.
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

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    My physical eyes, see the physical world around me.
    Oh, I'm quite clear on the truth. Just because I don't always agree with what you say I believe, doesn't mean that I'm not clear on what I believe.
    I'm unsure why you are making a big deal of this but you, yourself often demonstrate an ignorance of what I believe.
    Not at all, just stating a fact in the face of your accusation.
    So you say.
     
  13. willedwill

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    In terms of 'ignorance' of what others believe I often wonder. For instance. can one believe in the others good will or lack of It. Indeed perceiving with the eyes physically, is the light of day believed about for the knowledge of more than just phenomenon? Is noumenon something to know without belief?
     
  14. thedope

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    What is the whole body, what do you see with your inner vision? Is the whole body full of light, or is the light in you darkness? Do you see a world god created or one full of sin? Is the truth about the world, about those around you, evil
    You said you don't know if you believe the way I say you do. You didn't say you don't always agree with me. Now am I mistaken in what you believe about the bible?
    One point is as good as any other, not a big deal to me, why does it seem like a big deal to you?
    You said you tried but I wouldn't leave you alone. Of course I would not leave any alone, we exist in this world for and with each other. I do not speak with you to harass you, but that we both might be edified together. Wherever two or mare are gathered in his name there is love. I am not against you. Why the but, as though I had robbed you of your will. That is like saying I made you do it. Are you telling me I made you speak against the holy spirit in me?
    Do you mean to say that I am not telling the truth?

    It is not seeming to question my sincerity. This is sanctuary. I know you truly love god, but it seems you think I am not vigilant for god and his kingdom.
    I am calling forth your spirit, I am sorry if that is uncomfortable for you, but it is it is your spirit that comes forth from your mouth, not mine.
     
  15. thedope

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    Knowledge is, being shared. Perception is not knowledge but can lead to knowledge. We believe to see and we see to believe.
     
  16. Dejavu

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    willedwill:
    I'd say no, as belief is entirely inconsequential in its consequentiality of knowledge. In 'morality' the mind backs from creation preferring reconciliation, eg. achieving the universe is believed to involve obliteration, yet none of us know death personally. : D My faith in imagination may be observed to be nothing more than a sort of accompaniment to, or regeneration of the human orgasm, but what does it matter?!

    They say it's a mad, mad world, but to believe it? I have never yet been possessed unremittingly by an idea.
     
  17. willedwill

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    So that act of sharing knowledge is a believing, with or without good will. You would then have to add: Good will is a gift from God. For instance, the Catholic Church can furnish that gift; whereas Mohamedism does not. Mohamedism nevertheless is an amazing religion, for there a true good will is required to be shared even knowing we do not believe in the Word, unless we begin to know with each Other.
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

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    The truth.
    Full of light.
    I see a world that God created but mankind is the only thing sinful in it.
    The truth about the things that God created is that he created them good and without evil but he also gave some of the things he created free will so they could choose their life course for themselves, sadly some chose a sinful and sometimes evil course for themselves.
    Sometimes.
    It's not a big deal to me, that's why I asked why you were making a big deal of it.
    Then why did you complain about my answering you.
    Great, although some times it feel more like harassment than edification.
    His name? Who's name is that?
    Again, some times it seems that way.
    I don't know what "but" you are talking about but no, I do not feel that in any way you have "robbed" of my will.

    The truth has set me free.
    Not at all.
    I am not speaking against the Holy Spirit, I have merely pointed out for you why what you call the Holy Spirit, can not be the Holy Spirit.
    Oh, I'm pretty sure that you think it is the truth, it just isn't.
    I have never questioned your sincerity but sincerity is not enough. Jesus said; "In fact, the hour is coming when everyone that kills YOU will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God." That shows that there will many sincere people who will believe and do the wrong things.
    Yes it is.
    No, I merely believe you are seriously mislead and I also believe that if, like Paul, you ever come to a knowledge of the truth, you could be a powerful force for the truth.
    Not at all, go ahead and call forth my spirit.
    Why would would your spirit come forth from my mouth? That doesn't even make sense.
     
  19. Dejavu

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    Good will is only a gift we ourselves give. I'm all for beginning to know everything with eachother. If people, and not only religionists, want to hang up their hats ( thinking caps no less) upon the almighty of any flavour, so be it, but they'll miss me! Unknowingly or otherwise! I may have had to have all my ideas by myself, without the grace-giving benefit of a higher power, but I am still a human. I demand to share everyones genius! .....Please?! :)
     
  20. Dejavu

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    Alter what I bother:
    LOL

    You wood of hat to half being der! : D
     
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