Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

I apologize for breaking your stream of thought if that is the case. I don't see how your reply is an improvement. Now can we do something right together?

 

thedope:

We are accomodating. We shall not trouble them to create with us, but include them besides.

willedwill:

Then I offer my apology also. I am only relatively a relativist, but your relative absolutely. I can't apologize for my atheism, and I have used language only in part. The body is never over. As the best person in the world, you'll warm to yourself before catching fire I'm sure. ; D

OWB:

You'll have to go back and read me again then! lol ( Just kidding, I'm not that big a blockhead. ) You can stay right here. Gods truth has to be relative to god. You can't address this from...pride? No drama. Love all up is not for 'saving' but it will do the trick anyway. : D

 

You tell us "the teachings of christ" are true and yes, most will agree with you, in fact I agree with the statement that the teachings of Christ are true. I mean what is to disagree with?

The trouble comes when you begin to tell what you believe those teachings to be and then it becomes plain that you are not talking about the teachings of the Christ but the teachings of your spirit buddy, that you call the teachings of the christ.

It depends on what you are talking about. If we are talking about what I say, then if I say that the Bible says this or that, I expect people to look up what I have said and compare it to what the Bible says. But if we are talking about what you say, that is exactly what I do, I look up what you have said and compare it to the Bible. It's just that more often than not what you say is not what the Bible says.

And what is that?

Why yes you did.

Okay but you do accuse me of a lot of other things like being arrogant, unforgiving, judgmental and condemnatory.

The fruitage of the spirit is joy, not happiness.

 

You didn't break my chain of thought. And I really don't mind you joining the conversation.

The problem to me is more that I will say something directed to someone else and you take it personally like I was talking to you. And I keep wondering does he really believe that no matter who I'm talking to, everything I say is directed at him. I mean, I have enjoyed our conversations but I do talk to others from time to time and while I am, I'm not thinking about how I can throw in a dig at thedope in this conversation.

What did you have in mind?

 

Yep, that is what you said but I still see no proof that it has to be true.

 

It's funny ( yes, funny! ) that thedope is more spirited for what he says than for what is said by another. I take that for the very same faith that I have in others. We are not here to rank love. Everything about time puts an end to the attempt. We are not even necessarily here to acknowledge it, - but since we are here, why not?

thedope made it clear to me long ago that the complaint, no matter how deserved, is an argument.

thedope is more christ-like than OWB. I do not say that for the sake of argument, but to put perspective on OWBs claim to a more complete comprehension of christs teachings. Fortunately, thedope is also more god-like! : D lol

Willedwill? He is more odd-like. ; D

And me, oddly I'm just more...me. If everyone becomes more themselves, we'll all feel more ourselves. That's not Gods truth, that's just the truth.

 

OWB:

Denial? I guess it could be worse! lol

A lesson in logic for OWB:

If gods truth is not relative to god, and not relative to anything else either, then it is no truth after all.
: D

 

Once again you make a statement with nothing to support it and now you call it a lesson in logic. All you are doing is saying; it's true because I say it's true. So I guess the lesson is that "this is not what you want to do to be logical".

 

It's called reason OWB. lol I provided one. The statement is supported by it, and not just by the fact that it is a statement. Yours: - "God's truth is not relative" falls through. Your supplementary offering, -"it is always true" is disproven by my more reasonable reasoning which allows truth to be relative to itself in order to remain true.

To raise the stakes ( so to speak ) one has to be willing to stake the very same! : D

 

Those are our creations that we have saved for them, but they do not mean love to them now. I understand that in eternity this disparity does not occur at all, but in time it is tragic. The world is asking for mercy and we cannot exceed barriers that we ourselves have chosen to erect.

We may enjoy a fine free life in abstentia and we pose no threat but if we neglect the invitation to join then we are out of range of hearing. What love saves is thousands of years of trial and error.

 

Some thoughts on the body. I have suggested that the body is a limit that we have made for ourselves, a communication device set a certain frequency, which picks up and broadcasts at that agglomerate position. The body is a reflection of your desire to commune with that which is you.

So why dejavu, how many bodies does it take before you are satisfied with your reflection. We have over 6 billion now and countless fires have burnt down and out over the ages. That is a lot of ashes and the question becomes at some point, how much are you absolutely willing to pollute. To be fruitful and multiply does not necessarily imply that we should liter the world with fat carcases. Multiplication is simply quick addition. We learn quickly to hone our skills at creation through relativism. The beauty in that approach, is that in a learning situation it helpful if our mistakes have no lasting ill effects, reflections come and go.

The idea that the world is valuable for what it has to offer, has always been an obstacle to peace, example, that is what the bible says or that is not what the bible says. The body is a reflection of your substantive focus but it does not give you substance. There is always more to learn. There are ways of apprehending that do not involve looking in the mirror, remember the deep.

 

thedope:

We'd give our lives, but it would be a mistake to let them be taken. Self-overcoming is not to be understood by everyone to begin with.

I never wanted to beat them, nor have I been asked to join them beyond their custom.

I am destined to gatecrash eternity!?

 

I am no martyr. In the beginning I did not know what to do with sensation and I have a nervous temperament, full to the brim with feeling. But the feelings would overwhelm sensible choices until I understood that sensation is sensational at best.

That is lovely but gate crashers sometimes find themselves without a proper suit of clothes for the occasion. I invite eternity by not regarding the circumstantial as substantial. reality is non-local, nor is it remote. It is conceivable that we may be talking past each other at some level. I am of a type that is thirsty above all things for righteousness, not in the sense of being nobly right but in the desire for more light. Am I not asking you to consider things beyond your custom? I want to know more about you.

 

I'll do my best. And I'll do more than remember. My intimations given up to their condition, or what you would call no condition, could yet lead us through the looking glass in one piece.

 

thedope:

We're not worried about talking past eachother are we? : D We're no strangers to disparity, but even less are we its familiars! "More light!" - Goethes last words. I wonder what our first words will be beyond all last words, all reflection! I wonder when it will be understood that we can't take off our birthday suits! : D

You shall always know more of me. But if the world can't, or it's not the weather for it, or whatever the case may be, ---my invitation to it is the same one as yours, the same one as the worlds! It says "Come one come all!" lol

 

Perhaps reflection simply becomes intensity. Some how I knew you would come at me nude.

When i was very young I was impressed with the deepest harmony by a children's song, jesus loves the little children, all the little children of the world. That is how we find ourselves brothers I suppose.

 

I wanted to ask you if perhaps atheism was a substitution rather than an alternative in putting the pieces of the puzzle together, that is filling the god slot first. I don't remember creating your wings, I can only extend my appreciation of them and in that way they maintain their public constitution.

 

Lol Nude.

Yes, for really the alternative is to find open sky. The position is taken in resisting the roof of religious designation.

It might take forever to recall how everyone taught us to fly, and I have the feeling of deepest harmony over it!

*Flown*