Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

I will allow forever.

 

I knew you would try and dodge the question with some kind of; "If you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will surely die in spirit", try reading it again, it says; "You will positively die.”, there is nothing about dying in the spirit and there is nothing to show that Adam would have understood it to be death in the spirit. In fact God goes on the say this about the death that will be suffered; "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)

I do not accuse a child of god anymore than I condemn anyone, another lie you continue to say about me.

 

I haven't tried to dodge anything. If you remember i said god told them they would be subject to temporary conditions. Subject to the weather, subject to temporal forces. The body is mans dream about what he had become. The body was never alive, animus animates animal. We hid because we saw we were naked and were ashamed, and god says who told you you were naked?

Then you accuse me of being unlike our father in heaven, and as you do unto the least of these my brethren you do also unto me. I know I am not high on your list, but the stone the builders rejected turned out to be the cornerstone of the temple, and in the kingdom of heaven the first are last and the last are first. This means that the kingdom of heaven is exactly opposite the perception we have of this world. We do not see the world god created at all if we believe there is a mixture of dark and light. Light dispels darkness and we cannot serve two masters.

God is one, dark and light cannot both be true. The knowledge of good and evil is not knowledge, but relative perception caused by bodies casting shadows.

 

Then answer the question.

No, I don't remember you saying it but more importantly the Bible doesn't say it. The death that Adam and Eve suffered is not in anyway temporary but about as permanent as it gets.

Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul. (Genesis 2:7)

Funny that the Bible says nothing about the body being mans dream about what he had become and it seems that the Bible indicates that God made the man's body alive. Care to try again?

I didn't accuse you of anything, it is just a statement of fact that you are in many ways unlike God. When you can form a man out of dust of the ground and can blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man becomes a living soul, get back to me on that whole being like God thing.

You trying to say that you are the second coming? (Matthew 24:23-24)

So sunrise and sunset are what? Creations of Satan?

 

The knowledge of good and evil is just what it says. Knowledge,,of good,,and of evil,,

Man was created by God to be His vessel, to be His expression, for God to be man's life, man's content. Life signifies dependency.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is that which makes man independent from God.

The tree of the k. of g. and e. signifies religion. Religion, and ethics, are those lists of right and wrongs that people hold to that cause them to think they are doing God's will, or merely just "doing the right thing". These lists of right and wrong, good and evil, are present in every religion, even if the religion was God-given, such as the tablets of stone. It was never God's intention to make man dependent upon a set of rules, rather than upon Him. Having a set of rules, rather than the living God, as man's focus, causes man to live a life separate from God, while, ironically, trying to please God.

This is all covered in the Bible, and addressed in the New Testament, as Paul gives his dissertations on why the law was brought in, and how it has no relevance to a genuine believer, except to expose man's wrongdoings. Paul states that "If there had been a law given that could have given life, then righteousness would have been according to law, but it is not so."

The tree of life represents God as man's life, whereas the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents man's independence from God, living instead according to a set of rules.

The law does two things: It acts as a schoolmaster, or guardian, to usher one to Christ, and it acts as a photograph of God. When we see the law, given by God, we can see what kind of person God is, like a photograph.

But, as Paul states in Romans, "Christ is the end of the law,,".

To a believer, in the new man, "Christ is all, and in all,,". The law has no place. Man has neither the capacity to keep it, either as a means of righteousness, or as a means of pleasing God. Faith, which operates through love, in the realm of life, is the answer.

 

Perhaps but the fact is if the knowledge of good and bad is just that the knowledge of good and bad then why did Adam and Eve already know that eating that eating of the tree was bad? That fact seems to show that God had already told them what was good and bad.

So the question is when they ate of the tree what happened? Did they suddenly "reknow" what they already knew?

The fact is that when they ate of the tree that meant that they no longer excepted God's view of what is good and bad but from that time on they would ignore God's view on the matter and decide for themselves what is god and bad.

Thus they no longer depended on God's knowledge of good and bad but decided to depend of man's knowledge of good and bad.

So in a way Satan was right, they did become like God in deciding for themselves what is good and bad but we all know how well that has turned out.

 

(1) Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” (Genesis 2:16-17)
(2) At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. (Genesis 3:4)

So the first one is, as it says, the view point of God and the second one is the view point of the original serpent, Satan.

 

Brother. First of I ask for gods blessing as I speak and that god all those who hear what i say, should anyone be concerned of my intent.

Waterbrother, you have asked that i give you death, or it is not the truth.
You have said that only death is the truth.

I gave you death, surely inexorably over time of god given spirit, not just of dusty body, and your response is i am trying to weasel out of it, that is not dead enough, give me more death, or it is not true. This issue is through, you get no more death on this end.

Now on the other end. There is one other major and vital issue that you find troublesome about what I say and that is the issue of jesus sacrifice..

I ask you to consider the logical conclusion of your treatment of the the symbol of crucifixion. If christ died as required payment for our guilt, then we must thank god, jesus is dead.

I desire mercy not sacrifice. A christ teaching, gods words spoken through his son in whom he was well pleased.

The symbol of the lamb is a symbol for innocence, that innocence be slaughtered for the sake of guilt is a contradiction in terms.

The lion lays down with the lamb, because innocence is associated with strength. The symbol of the crucifixion is an extreme example of the strength of innocence. In the face of the most extreme persecution imaginable, he did not accuse them but asked for gods blessing instead. God is mercy, merciful. It is that innocence that redeems the world, not the spilling of blood. I desire mercy not sacrifice. Christ did the will of his father and is risen. I do not desire sacrifice, blood retribution, I desire mercy. I want you to have mercy.
To have mercy, be merciful. Be merciful in the name that god gave you to use, I am merciful.

No more blood waterbrother.

 

thedope, notice how OWB wishes to support objective realism for a Russell concept of the substrata in Nature over and against the Hegelian dialectic of interpretable nature and it's improving tendency at the ex-nihilo creator.

 

willedwill, it takes all the joy out of life.

 

Thedope, I get to know you now. You think that realism is faking books that do or don't exist.

 

Uhhhhhh, what did they know of death? How could they have know that death was bad? God didn't tell them they would be bad for eating, he said they would surly die.

No, it is not a conscious choice on their part among knowns, they were deceived.

They were deceived into thinking they had gods knowledge. Never was their intent to disobey, but to attain truth, just as no one ever does evil because they think it is evil, they do it because they think it serves their good.

Dude, speaking for satan?

 

The teaching of good verses evil is a lesson in fear. It says that there is something out there that threatens you, something that can have power over you and your god given spirit. Something that has power over god then.

That lesson produces not the love of god, but fear and resentment.

 

What is real is the abundance of our heart, not what we say. The same words we use to tell truth have an identical appearance to the words we use to tell a lie.

 

Yes, in the modern age they are creations of satan. As the work-week grows to the same accord of humanity's aging, the work-week needs progress for less production in the desire to allow people to belong to their wealth.:bobby:

 

Oh, I don't know if it really happened this way, but this story is true. Allegory is it?

 

They called jesus rabbi, teacher, he came to teach about the kingdom of god.

To serve as ransom for many. Ransom is payment, wages, the opposite of the wages of sin. Jesus taught the path to earning our life back from the dark throws of deception. Do not judge by appearances, but rather use right judgement.