Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

Get off my nuts, nincompoop.

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Confusing form with content? Interesting, now if only it had anything to do with what was being said.

I am doing God's will, now if you would only go learn what this means, I desire mercy, not sacrifice.

Now if you only knew what the teachings of the Christ were, you would be in good shape.

Did I say that? No.

Surely you don't admit that you reject the truth.

Nice platitude but it really doesn't tell what you believe love to be and how to put it into action.

Glee to kill things? How loving of you to say so, this must be what you mean by loving without reservation or condition.

Oh by the way, what is it that I'm suppose to be taking glee in killing?

Also in your glee in thinking that I had made a mistake that you could jump on, you failed to notice that, while I did comment on your statement, I did not say that you found the concept ambiguous but that some who who believe that death doesn't exist find the concept ambiguous.

No, you are, I regard death as a state of non-being.

Just like Adam did not exist before he was created, the dead no not exist until they are resurrected.

You seem to be so blinded by your attempt to defend your unscriptural beliefs that even something as simple as this you can't understand.

Try reading what I said:
"It's an illustration, symbolic, showing that in God's Kingdom there will be peace, even among those who in this system of things seem to be natural enemies.

Please point out to me where, in this statement, I said anything about natural enemies being in Gods Kingdom.

 

I guess your spirit buddy didn't show you this; "And going a little way forward, he fell upon his face, praying and saying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”

 

How does it not?

Well what you are doing is very much like the actors of the inquisition, you are seeking to extract a confession of my heresy. God's will is that ye be merciful. I have you for a decent hearing. Please have mercy on me.

Tell us.

Again, tell us how it is done.

Yes friend, I love you regardless, I know you cannot see what you do, because to do so would be to admit you had been hard hearted, and although you wish to assign guilt to others, you are not upset for what they are doing to you, but for what you are doing to them.

Oh by the way, what is it that I'm suppose to be taking glee in killing?

Also in your glee in thinking that I had made a mistake that you could jump on, you failed to notice that, while I did comment on your statement, I did not say that you found the concept ambiguous but that some who who believe that death doesn't exist find the concept ambiguous.
No, you are, I regard death as a state of non-being.
Just like Adam did not exist before he was created, the dead no not exist until they are resurrected.
You seem to be so blinded by your attempt to defend your unscriptural beliefs that even something as simple as this you can't understand.

Very well, as above so below, whatever is loosed on earth is also loosed in heaven. God created one world. There is no anti god system of things, that is an accusation, against god. I know you said seem to be natural enemies, but an illusion does not contribute to a declaration of truth.

 

God gave Adam one command: ",,the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,,you shall not eat of it,,"

God gave Adam no "list of good and bad"

When the law was given, much much later on the chronological timeline, it was not meant as an "instruction book for behavior", but simply as a means of exposing man's wrongdoing, and for indicating to God's people who He is, in His character,,like a photograph.

Paul clearly speaks of the place of the law, as a "child-conductor", to lead God's people to Christ, but no more.

Once Christ has come, AND HE HAS, the focus changes to the person of Christ, God incarnate, dispensed to us as life, by the Spirit. Life is now the focus, as it was in the beginning.

God's intention was that Adam partake of the tree of life, signifying God Himself as man's life, as man's content. It is God's intention that we, His people, live according to this life, and not merely according to a set of "God-given rules".

He said, from the beginning, that He wanted to be our life, not just "give" us a "rulebook". God's gift is Himself, as the eternal life, to be our life and life-supply, to live a righteous and holy life, not by our natural energy, but by His life. We don't have the capacity in ourselves to live this kind of life.

"Without Him, we can do nothing." John 15

 

We discussed this before. Crucifixion is an agonizing experience. His choice was to do his fathers will which was to teach mercy, love for our brothers. He was not agonizing because he was being sacrificed. You of course will interpret it according to your belief.

 

Are we ever without him?

 

It's a matter of degree.

Sure, He said "I am with you always,,," as He left, during His ascension to the Father, but this doesn't equate to "I am always in agreement with what you are doing".

"Fellowship" with the Lord is conditional, and depends upon our co-operation with Christ within. We can get out of that fellowship, just by being who we are, since the nature of sin still exists in our being, and we can choose to follow our sinful nature, or obey the divine anointing in our spirit.

If we sin, as the apostle John states in his first epistle, we have an "Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

If we confess our sins, as John states, He forgives us our sins, and cleanses us of all unrighteousness. But we need to confess.

As much as you would like to believe that sin is not a factor, it is. John clearly states that if we say we have no sin, we make Him a liar, and the truth is not in us.

Sin came into our being from Adam's fall. We inherited the sinful nature. We need Christ' redemption, meaning the efficacy of His blood on the cross, in order to continue to walk in fellowship with Him.

The blood was shed once, for all, but only those who apply it through personal, intimate confession to Him can experience its efficacy today.

Walking with God requires frequent confession, which could be something as simple as confessing to the Lord that you can't do it without Him, or that you are sensing a separation between you and He, and need to come back to Him.

It is simply not true that we always walk with God. Sometimes we do, and sometimes we don't.

So, as to His being "with us always",,yes,,but we do not have fellowship with Him unless our conscience is clear. Only then can our deeds be "in Christ".

 

The cross, when it comes to us, never seems "fair", because it is not. It is simply part of the process we need to go through. It always seems "unfair" when the cross comes. It is not only a physical agony, but a psychological one as well, since the circumstances surrounding the cross come from the realm of darkness. This is why when the cross comes to us, we have a tendency to fight it. Jesus said not to resist evil, but to accept it, when the opposition comes. This is not an easy thing.

Christ had to go to the cross to fulfill scripture, and fulfull His destiny as "the Lamb of God". His resurrection surely testifies to His standing before God, as the Righeous One. We also experience the cross, not in the same way, however. The cross, to us, is simply a means by which God works in our being to transform us into His image, through death and resurrection. We were buried with Him, and risen also with Him. So now, we need to put off the old man, which was created in Adam, and put on Christ, living in resurrection, rather than in our natural state.

 

I apologize for my outburst.

It has been suggested that god pronounced judgement on man at the moment man ate the fruit. Actually no such judgement occurred. Gods judgement of man was at the moment of creation. Judged very good.

Man can be considered the prodigal son. The prodigal son is afraid to return to his fathers house because he fears the judgement that may await him. But when the son returns, he finds his father overjoyed to have him back.

The judgement that wakes the dead, that is the spiritually obscure, is the last one. That is the final judgement we render against ourselves or our brother. Mankind suffers from the disease of suspicion, which in it's least noxious form amounts to mistrust and in it's most noxious form, viciousness.

Does it matter that this statement violates someones idea of what must occur? If our previous learning had served us well, why has it taken over two thousand years?

 

I appreciate your comprehension of a theological construct. It is far more sophisticated than some. Our natural state is the likeness and image of god. Our natural state is to create the good and the holy, creation, an extension of god. To suggest that the capacity is not in us, is to suggest that god is not in us. True it is we can do nothing without god. God is all cause and a lack of recognition of this, is to miss the mark.

Many view the "expulsion from the garden", as a judgement against man. It does not appear that way to me. It appears to me, the natural outcome of a belief system, an errant belief system. Remember the power of the mind, the mind that is in christ. The way we, "put off", the "old man" is to stop feeding it. In a world of bodies everything has a body, and everybody has a name. All bodies must eat. We stop eating the fruit that poisons our perception. Sin.

 

Today I cried to god, "I don't know what I am doing" and I heard the holy spirit say take a breath, I did, I heard it say, take another, I did.

 

As far as inheriting sinful nature, our inheritance is from god our creator. Sinful "nature" is taught, generation after generation. Understand the children of god are not condemned by their father, they suffer the accusations of each other.
To suggest sinful nature is a lesson in unworthiness, yet jesus said how much more must you be worth than a sparrow.
Christ was not crucified for his sins but for ours, on the strength of popular accusation. Forgive them they know not what they do.

 

Firstly, through the fall of man, the original nature of man was ruined, since the element of sin entered into man. That is why the decision was made to send man out of the garden, since in his spoiled condition it would not have been right for him to partake of the tree of life.

Only through the redeeming blood of the Lamb can we again approach God, enter into God, partake of God. The blood of Christ enables this. God recognizes the blood.

God is our creator, originally, but our nature was spoiled through the fall. God may have made an "imprint" on his created man, but that imprint was lost through the fall. Yes, the original intent of man to do good was not eradicated, but rather, frustrated. Paul speaks of this in Romans chapter 7, where he says "Though I will to do the good, the evil is present with me." He goes on to say that only through the Spirit of life, in Christ Jesus, do we have relief from this fallen condition.

So, we do need God, and not just as our original creator, but as the source of our regeneration. God gave up on the original creation, and it only exists today in order to facilitate the new creation, which is in Christ Jesus. It is the opportunity of every man at this time to receive Christ as His Savior, receiving Him as life, as the Spirit of life, as the Spirit of the resurrected Jesus Christ. This is our "bountiful supply" as Paul states in Phillippians I.

Without regeneration, and a new birth, we cannot express God, except perhaps occasionally. Mostly, we simply express ourselves, and our fallen nature, no matter what transcending moments we may have. Even our good is polluted. As has been said,,"The best laid plans of mice and men,,,"

We want to do "the good". We truly desire to do the right thing, but end up just doing what we are. Without being regenerated, transformed, conformed to the image of the firstborn Son of God, we have no hope.

We need to be constituted righteous, not just "behave" accordingly.

It is true that we are what we eat, in essence. If we continue to partake of religious views, ideals, dogma, etc,,we simply continue to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is only through partaking of the living Christ, the Spirit of life, that we have hope. Religion and politics are what killed the Lord, though even His death worked out for our betterment. God always wins.

As Jesus said, in John chapter 6, "He that eats Me, even he shall live, because of Me."

Don't let the Catholics tell you that this means the "wafer" that is dispensed by the "priest" at communion. That's not Christ. That's just a symbolic representation of Christ as our living bread, by which we all are made one. The real oneness isn't some hippie philosophy. It's Christ in us, making us one.

 

I have another view that does involve an accusation against the children of god. There are two separate creation stories, one is true, and one is the tale of an error.

In the first creation story, man is created in the likeness and image of god, male and female, that is creative principle, not man and woman, biological entity.

The second is mans egotistical description of both god and himself.

That man was expelled from the garden, that is from a life of grace, is the result of the lesson in fear, the belief that the knowledge of good and evil, is knowledge. The belief that good and evil are the true nature of the world, creates for us a world of transient condition, as each perspective vies for ascendency. It creates a situation in which we must work to find a good that we already inherited. With the perception of good versus evil, we throw away our good as though we never had it. God did not find us shameful, we hid from him because of a perception about ourselves, we saw that we were naked. Until then, transience was not part of our constitution, nor is it the truth of us now.

A deep sleep was caused to come over adam. Notice that it is suggested that god caused the deep sleep, mans statement that it is gods fault. However, no where does it say god woke him up. That we are made body from body, is mans nightmare of what he had become, a tiny speck of perishable flesh in a vast and impersonal universe.

 

The story of creation is weighty with allegory. The matter of God extracting a rib from the man, in order to build the woman, parallels Christ death on the cross, issuing in the Church. The rib signifies the eternal, unbroken life of God, by which the Church came into being.

"a bone of him shall not be broken", is the prophesy from the Old Testament. This speaks of Christ on the cross. Typically, a crucified one had his leg bones broken so that he could not support himself and avoid the eventual asphyxiation from hanging in such a manner. Christ' bones were not broken, since He had already died. This was a fulfillment to prophecy, completing the allegory. The unbroken bone signifies the unbroken eternal life, without which the Church would not exist.

 

The body of sin feeds on accusation.
Let he who is blameless cast the first stone, is not the same as, every body is to blame.
Stop doing it.

 

I know the weight of allegory. Is the body of the church an edifice or an institution or a theology, or can it be found in the remembering and enlivening in each other, our holy inheritance.

 

The "enlivening" of each other needs to be with the proper spirit, otherwise, it's just a social gathering, with a lot of "talk".

 

Yes, is then the proper spirit adherence to a theological construct, or is it to find the capacity to love our brother as ourselves in a world where we are taught mistrust from an early beginning.

We cannot love what we find inherently unworthy. You will always regard your brother with suspicion, that is, question whether he has the right spirit. He has only one spirit, there is only one spirit.