Stupid Dumb Young "Hippies"

AT&T didn't pay soley for the infrastructure, they received taxpayer money and tax breaks in the early days to research and develop the internet.

Net Neutrality is NOT saying that one shouldn't pay more money for high quality of service. We always have, and we always will. But if I pay my ISP bills, I expect to be served what ever website I want to see. I don't think the corporations have any right to restrict my access, by making some websites harder to view than others.

Control of information is hugely powerful. In the US, the threat is that companies control what I can access for commercial reasons. (In China, control is by the government for political reasons.) Do we wish to let multinational corporations control the content? I don't want the government to control what I see either. I want the choice to be mine.

 

Well you are posting on a computer on the internet, perhaps that communication isn't important to you. And if it isn't why get so hot and bothered.

 

You know what? I'M worried about net neutrality! As a liberatiran I am seriously woriied about net neutrality.

 

As it is we all pay for bandwidth. We pay our ISPs for online access, and if you have a website you pay for the bandwidth used by your visitors. Why should we allow companies such as AT&T and other communications servers to tell us which sites they give priority? If this is truly a market driven world then the sites visited by the most internet users will be the most popular, and the others will also be available to those that they interest. But should we allow the internet to be controlled the way television is controlled. If that happens then all we will see is what a handful of people want us to see.

 

But theyre not trying to do that. What they are trying to do is to make people with websites that use vast amounts of bandwidth, such as google, realise that their traffic is the most prolific and therefore they should expect to pay more or AT&T may limit the amount of bandwidth google is allocated. Simply because AT&T feel that bandwidth should be paid for by the carried to the carrier. Its not something I like but I cant see whats wrong with that apart from the fact that blogs and sites with less ability to pay might be given higher preference

 

Damn straight gardener. keep up the good fight!

 

I think that the end result would be that large corporations could afford to pay and small homegrown websites (like this one), would not.

 

I can understand why it would bother you that so many young people today are using a sterotypical title as a way to look "cool." Even some people that don't consider themselves to be "hippies" are only interested in sitting around, playing video games, and getting high. It's how the kids are today, unfortunately, no matter what unnecessary label they throw on themselves. I also agree that they do not know the meaning of the hippie movement, nor do they want to. They just want to appear interesting in front of their peers. While the majority of the youth is like this, please remember that not everyone is. I take a large interest in politics and current issues and the direction of the future. I love debating with people just to see their point of view and learn more about myself and what I believe in. I helped the democrats with campaign signs and going to rallies. I also stand up for animal rights by trying to raise awareness about what goes on and what people can do about it. Sadly, I don't have that many people that I can talk to about politics or issues in the world because not too many people my age are interested. That is one of the main reasons that I joined this site. Whether I am a "hippie" or not doesn't really matter to me, but for people to think that I don't care about the world does. I care very much and do the best that I can while still being under the age of 18.

 

That's one smart 16 year old. Perhaps there is hope yet.

 

Personally, I think that part of the problem is the constant attitude of older people thinking that the younger generation has no "life exeperience" and therefore can't begin to develop opinions on political matters. If anything, there should be encouragement for the younger generation to pay attention to what is occuring in the political world so that, in time, this generation will be ready to face it and take action when it is needed.

I can imagine something like this being said to someone maybe at 14, but not 16, not that close to voting age. You want the younger generation to do something without being allowed to make an attempt at creating their own viewpoints? To educate oneself, get motivated and take action, one needs to understand how things work and develop an opinion, in order for that to happen they need encouragement. Telling them that they are too young to be realistic ain't gonna work.

 

I apologize, I should have posted a link to the thread where gardener posted that.

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213145

I'm not trying to make gardener look like a hypocrite for what was said....just wanted to make that clear. Mostly, I used that quote because it proved my point and it was easy to find. I've seen similar things said by others, this wasnt an attack, I wasn't trying to go "hey look! gardener is a liar!", Gardener, i respect you for your ideas and beliefs, I've seen some of the other things you've worte in the forums and I think you're great but for some reason that quote stuck out to me so I threw it out there to make my point.

I just wanted to throw this out.... I was afraid people were put off by my post and thats why this thread went so long with no reply.

 

Not put off here. BUMP!

 

Hey I admit I did post that six months after I posted this thread about a different subject.

Madlizard is going on about being confused and he/she is. But you teens...none of you can really know all about life or yourselves. Shit I am 56 and I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.

You are trying to use this thread to build up an argument that you are real adult people...well start a new thread and really discuss it!

 

And if you follow that link you will find that Madlizard didn't have a problem with my statement:

Madlizard was looking for an easy political label for him/herself and what I was pointing out was we should never jump to easy labels. You'll regret it because you will have it brought up later in life if you live that long.

 

You want to be taken seriously then attend the Peace rallys. If it was a concert you would find the funds to attend.

 

Get active in your college. Start a group or club of like-minded individuals.

 

Squirrel if you wish to be taken seriously you could loose your signature bit about Laura Bush. Statements like that don't say much about your character.

 

Just curious, who gets to decide what version of this world gets saved?

 

Oh, I see. You do gardener.

Wait a minute, who elected you?

 

i totally agree...i think people especially kids are caught up in the image..im only 18..but i know its more then that..i learn alot from my dad ..he was a hippy when he was my age and he still is at heart..but its a real learning experience..getting involved and whatnot and speaking out..we all have to get involved..thats the problem ..too much talk not enough actions.. are indentitys are at stake.