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Lol natty your a funny dude he was born in Hawaii therefore hes a U.S. Citizen. You dont just loose your citizenship out of nowhere where did you get that from. Paste the proof that Indonesia had no dual citizenship laws and either way he lived their for like what 4 years? something like that.

If your parents are Mexican citizens and they come to the U.S. to give birth to you, you automatically become a U.S. citizen but your still a citizen in Mexico(Dual Citizenship) doesnt mean if you go back to Mexico your not allowed to return or have birth certificates or papers your still on record. I dont see how it would be different with any other ethnicity. Considering his biological father was Kenyan and not Indonesian. He was probably just a resident of Indonesia and nothing more

Either way he was born here and he is our President not much we can do about it either. I dont like Obama either but hes better than McCain and we didnt have much options now did we?

 

Even if he was born in the US he had to renounce his US citizenship to become a citizen of Indonesia. They would not provide for dual citizenship and you had to be a citizen in order to go to school there. This means he came back to the US and is therefore a naturalized citizen and therefore ineligible to be president of the US. The DNC protected him from the lawsuit because they knew once he was inaugurated there would be no way to stop him any more.

And if you're so sure that he was such a good fellow, why did he spend 1.7 million dollars in legal fees to push the lawsuit back far enough to avoid showing proper credentials?

 

where are the records of his naturalization?

also, have you heard about the aliens at area 51? i don't want to talk about 9/11 anymore after watching the video that phoenixsun posted. i'm convinced.

 

Lol when did I say he was a good fellow? I don't like Obama he hasn't done shit for me except the new health insurance bullshit which is probably gonna still fuck me over anyways.

Either way, what you are stating are theories, unless you can post some factual evidence with some sort of source behind it then its simply your opinion based on other peoples research

America is corrupt and always will be so this topic is pretty pointless anyways. We carry out assassinations of political leaders of other countries for our own benefit just because we dont agree with their politcal views. We exploit Latin American countries for their cheap exports yet we re-sell them for outrageous prices and make a killing off it. We only help out people if we benefit from it, nothing more. We invade Iraq because they have a evil dictator and all this bullshit, yet we backed Cuba when Bautista was fuckin shit up as well, we didn't do anything to Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, much less help the Haitians or anyone on the island of Hispaniola and we backed the Contras during the Nicaraguan Conflict in the 80's only because they were trying to overthrow the commies if not we would've let them murder each other. And now Ortegas the president pretty ironic. This country will never change no need arguing about it on a forum it is what is.

Nothing will ever change politicians will always stay in power and we just gotta live our lives and make the best of it. Im just waiting for the day that Iran nukes us and all of our other enemies join in on the fun.

 

First off, kudos to Kannibis King's post above. Our government is corrupt as shit and our foreign policy sucks balls and we're selfish bastards (to sum up very vaguely)

everything varies from state to state, except for the basic federal laws. The original "founding fathers" set it up so that states could have a lot of control as they were trying to avoid having any type of federal control/anything remotely related to a monarchy type of dictatorship. They liked a small fed. govt with most decisions being left up to the states themselves- however thats not how the current system works at all.

i'd relate it to Europe and the European Union, they cooperate together and share a lot of laws, but everything varies from country to country. The United States is a large chunk of land, and as I currently live in one of the more isolated parts, a lot of shit doesn't quite translate over to the other parts.

The education system is vaguely similar in most parts of the country, we all have the same standardized tests. But each school is run by different people and each class is taught by a different human and therefor varies just like humanity in general.

The two party system is something that rose up and just never got crushed. Due to the fact that we still elect with something called the Electoral College where every citizen's vote does NOT actually count, the two party system continues to survive.

Vig is right when she says most people are moderates. Very few are SUPER liberal or SUPER conservative, we like to rest in the middle and if you pay close attention most of our elected politicians tend to have less radical stances, the radicals usually don't get elected due to their outside the normal viewpoints.

As for the Civil War thing, the parties have actually reversed. Democrats used to be the conservative old school way of doing things, shown by how mostly only Southern-Slave-Owning Aristocrats were Democrats and didn't want any sort of social change or anything. South was the slowest in Industrializing and in desegregating as well due to the huge conservative population. Republicans used to be the "radical" party and helped put a lot of the anti-slave laws into existence.

it was only following the war and sometime during the 1900s that the parties somehow switched their stances around.

small parties pop up now and then, and their stances are usually absorbed into one of the bigger parties thus making it remain a 2 party system. For instance, Vig mentioned the Progressive Party of the early 1900s. Their stances were actually absorbed into both parties making their party obsolete.

just a random rambling about that sort of stuff

due to your extremely immature reply and the fact that I don't believe you have any facts except for "what the media has fed you" I have no interest in anything you claim to be truth.

Also due to the fact that you refer to Obama as "Hussein" makes you sound like an ignorant racist and you probably view all Muslims as being radical terrorists and not as a religion that happens to have pacifists and small groups of radical believers (just as Christianity does, which you seem to be a huge fan of). He's named Hussein due to the fact that his father was from Kenya, and Islam is a very popular religion there and a lot of their names come from the Arabic culture.

You don't even seem old enough to vote and I don't really consider your political views to be remotely intelligent.

Luckily, our electoral college pretty much makes sure of the fact that individuals' votes dont' actually count in the long run, so I'm glad you don't actually have any sort of pull on the politics of our country.

If you seem to hate the US and our president so much, why don't you fucking move out of the country?

oh wait, thats right. you still live with your parents and thus just want to vent your rage via the internet in a forum where most people hate you.

how quaint.

 

LOL, why don't you go suck Husseins cock some more.

It's ignorant for me to refer to someones middle name? interesting.

So now I'm a racist too? lol'd.

Oh a shot at Christianity or something? keep it movin'

I already voted in the election with Obama and I voted for McCain. I'm going to be 21 soon...

You don't really consider my political views to be intelligent? what political views have I even expressed other than the fact that your precious president isn't even qualified to be president? Oh, besides 9/11 was inside job...

"Luckily, our electoral college pretty much makes sure of the fact that individuals' votes dont' actually count in the long run, so I'm glad you don't actually have any sort of pull on the politics of our country."

You're actually happy that NOBODY has any power when it come's to voting?
You're actually happy that a system that threw us overboard 30 fucking years ago has all of the power in politics?
You're one sick and twisted bitch. No wonder you like Hussein.

I can't move out of the country yet because I have to go to college if I want to be successful. I pay for my own bills and therefore international college tuition plus rent plus food plus bills plus transportation plus etc etc etc would cost way too much.

I don't give a fuck if people hate me for going out and speaking the truth. I would rather have one person out of a hundred figure out the truth while the other ninety nine hate me.. than to go on not telling the truth to people.

And I especially will not sit here and listen to people call me a liar or say that I'm fabricating things when in reality there are public records and you can use common sense. When you look at each thing individually... maybe it seems plausible but when you look at everyyything as a whole... it's just telling you something is definitely wrong. 3 people saying he's born in 3 different hospitals. spending 1.7 million dollars to hide credentials that the public are obligated to see. john mccain releasing his credentials without hesitation or lawsuits or anything like that. i could go on and on and on but there's just no talking to people who are so brain washed that they will suckle whoever's cock fits in their political party. i bet you thought i was a republican.. lol judgemental bitch. i'm actually a democrat too. for the democratic national committee to go throughout August 21, 2008 up until Obama's inauguration without asking for credentials is an absolute disgrace. your constitution means nothing, you have no rights, the government is coming for your social security money and they're going to get it all. they're going to drain this country so bad. they're going to make the dollar crash so hard and so fast that it'll get destroyed. then you'll see electronic money, intangible money, in these little "chips" that get strapped into your forhead/wrist/hand so you can buy and trade. don't you see the pieces coming together bit by bit by bit? christianity has preached about these end days and how they would happen for a long time and people are going to feel really foolish when the second coming happens.

Barack Obama is the perfect face for the new world order. He's a smooth talker, a charmer, he's good looking, he's in all these magazines that promote him and talk about his love with Michelle and little children sing his praises in school... and little ignorant girls actually believe that he's qualified to be president because they're so easy to manipulate via the media. You've been getting brain washed since you were a baby watching Disney movies and you're still getting brain washed today. Free your mind...

 

Public universities in Mexico are only 500 pesos a semester = About 50 US Dollars, rents cheap, education is good especially in southern Mexico more so D.F. and cost of living is cheap in general. If you hate america and the federal funds they distribute towards college why not try going to school in Mexico or possibly Puerto Rico? Lots of opportunities I pay for my own school as well with no help from my parents everyone has the possibility to do something if you dont like the U.S. and the benefits they provide then why not move? They're plenty third world countries which im sure youll be happier in

 

It's true that there are some universities in other countries that are realistically affordable and you're right I would be happier there. However, a degree from the US holds more power more often than not.. and usually when the school is better it's going to cost a lot more than a public university in a state that i'm already a resident of. On top of that.. I only have one more year of school left until I graduate so I might as well finish it out since the transfer will probably cut some of my credits and will in turn force me to go to school at least an extra semester possibly even an extra year or more. I'll be moving asap after graduation though. I've been looking at Australia, New Zealand, and Sweden. Not quite sure where I'm going to move but I've got some time to think about it thoroughly.

 

another country cannot take away the citizenship of a foreign citizen period.

 

you don't need to go to college to be successful. not even here in america, and much less so in the other countries that you mentioned. sweden and australia both have great welfare systems, but i don't think it'll be easy for you to move to any of the countries that you mentioned on any more than a temporary working holiday visa. good luck.

 

sweden definitely won' take you.

is this the same guy that claimed to be muslim (or following 4/7ths of the pillars ) that is now calling Obama by his middle name in order to incite anti-muslim sentiment?

so lame

 

in response to your first post - idk how hard it is for you to grasp this concept.. like seriously.. you must be fucking retarded.
a country that doesnt provide for dual citizenship wont let you become a citizen if you dont renounce other existing ones... you are sooo stupid

you're such an ignoramus. i never claimed to be muslim, there isnt 7 pillars theres 5 and jihadists have 6. and i call obama by his middle name because he has so many first names and so many last names... i feel its easier to address him in such a manner. thats the only name he has kept consistent in his life, am i right?

 

Oh Brother ... Brother, Brother, Brother ... what are we gonna do with ya?

Why do ya have to be so rude NFL, your manners are shocking and has a serious reflection on you as a person. I know all of us have heated moments, but Man, you are really vulger.

And seriously, this is the same as your other thread, you never provide sources to back your arguments and when you up against the wall for your failed approach you slam your unsupported perspective combined with personal insults on Peeps

That doesn't make ya cool, it makes you the opposite

PS. Fickle presented relevant info with a ref ... she KO'd your argument so you have no academic right to claim that you somehow won that argument ... and if you don't provide a source for your claims, CheckMate goes to her

Your Move

One Love

 

"omg liek you are liek sooo stooopid"

why don't you get that if you are a citizen of the US another country cannot take your US citizenship from you?

"liek stfuandgtfo already omg"

 

for the thousandth time; they dont 'take' it from you, they 'require' you to get it renounced. if you don't.. they don't care. oh well, guess you're not going to school here/living here.

 

I wondered how long it would take this thread to turn into a flame-fest ^^

 

but their requirements have no bearing in US law. if obama had renounced his US citizenship by US law, then there would be US documents readily available to support that.

indeed if he were truly an indonesian citizen then there should be indonesian naturalisation documentation to prove that.

 

so your theory is; even though indonesia required you to have singular citizenship... barack obama somehow bi-passed this to go to school.

either that or the documents indicating his citizenship in indonesia dont exist. and his immigration report would be missing as well... which could mean that he snuck back into the US without going through immigration to try to hide the fact. either that or he snuck into Indonesia to be a student there. however, they checked to see if you were a citizen before you could enroll.

 

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