Support the troops?

hopfuly god will bless mankind, not just amarica! it never ceaseces to amaze me how pepole use this out of context! first let me say i desire peace in the world!! i beleive there are outher ways to solve our differences!! so if i come to your house and take your dauter by force you will offer me your outher ? a cheek is just that a cheek! and i have offered it, only to have my occular bone broke and in anouther instance have my scull fractured in 4 different places! when i had a nother under my care! so tell me, will you give that man your daughter?

 

dude! i think you are misinformed, we have no intention of bringing democracy to that country! what we have done is bring the things to them of witch you speek! as mutch as the troops first beleived in their mission more are speeking against it every day, and i aplaude every one of them!!!! sorry i was not clear as to waht we bring them! first innocents are being killed ! by the us. iraqis will know death and despair for yrs. to come as will all of humanity, this conflict has been in the making since the british devided the lands of these pepoles a long time ago! more women and children have died as a result of our actions in the past 20yrs than have under the rule of saddam who was a brutal dictator that the us supported and made education available and held it in sutch high regard as to at least rival our own!

 

If someone comes to my house and tries something rotten, I'll deal with it right at that moment. Thieves and trouble makers get what they have coming here. But I'm not going to their houses and burning them down or blowing them up. I'm not killing their families, and Im CERTAINLY not sending someone else dumb enough to do my dirty work for me so I don't get my hands dirty! I say God bless the WORLD, because it needs all the help it can get.

Saying that we might all be in concentration camps if it were not for the troops is ridiculous! It's looking like George might be having alot of us put there before he's thru. Nobody was doing this to us BEFORE he pissed everybody off. What about all the so-called terrorist sympathisers that are locked up and being tortured right now with no legal process, no lawyers, no proof of guilt? That is US doing that, right now. Sorry, but our great government that is so bloody smart is, for the most part a bunch of low life, scum sucking, nazis! Anything that was possibly good that has come from any past wars is being eliminated as we speak. Fools.

 

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/march2006/060306trophyvideo.htm

 

for every bunch of idiots like that..you gets 100 bunches of decent soldiers.. go take a look at a earlier post.. i suppose that sort of image is no use to you though ?..

As with the whole 'religous' angle.. mmm i can't/won't comment i am a atheist..so i pretty much think it is all ******* ******* but to those it matters a great deal.. me and others like me thinking it is ***** ***** makes no difference to the reality.. It won't stop it. I just wonder what excuse the insurgency would use instead ?.

http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/events/20050909talabani.htm
http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index20060130.pdf

 

Matthew, I like your sig. It seems that the US has been spreading this kind of democracy around most of the rest of the world too in recent years.

 

My only opinion is that I saw many of the rich kids in my community, many of the kids of parents of high status go straight to college. They usually got better treatment in the school system, never had to get a real job, Daddy bought'em a new car, they got practical free reign, tutors, and enrolled in many extra-curricular activities. They graduated very high, and either got a scholarship of some kind or Daddy paid their way. A few poor kids got lucky and made a score or Dad or Mom saved up living in single-wide for 20 years or just hit the lotto and THEY made it into college.

The majority of the people--the poor people and the "lower class" wound up with a job at Wendy's, selling drugs or JOINING THE MILITARY.

The military promises "opportunity, college education, and many trade skills". It is the only way to go for some people. Mostly poor.

Sure there are gov't grants and loans (if you can get one), but the military makes sky-high promises and also could make people "proud" of the one who has never been told that.

I've had three uncles, two best friends and 3 cousins who joined the military. From the Army to the Navy to the Air Force to the Marines, all branches have been represented in my family and my circle of friends. In each case, they all volunteered. However, I don't recall any of them joining just for the purpose of fighting a war. But, alas...it IS the military, ain't it?

That's the catch.

I got lucky. I could've went. Luckily, I got a good job. I got an education without having the risk of being shipped to "Terror Island". Some ain't so lucky...

ON ANOTHER NOTE: Isn't it IRONIC that the President who pushed in the PATRIOT ACT is the same one who wants to "spread freedom" throughout the world?

 

It is not my sig, it is in response to a comment...[maybe i'll go and make it more clear]...I was just having a joke..
You may not like my actual position on this situation..but at least i try and have a sense of humour..
A link is below to some good info imho.

 

this is getting realy confusing i cant tell who agrees with who or what part of post they agree with or dont.

 

Support the troops by bringing them home post haste. There is no point to continued imperialist aggression in Iraq or Afghanistan. Let the UN pick up America's mess, because it is clear that the peoples of those lands do not want you there.

 

I stand by what I said, because it is the truth. Anyone who thinks we have no intention of bringing democracy to Iraq is deluded.

It's going to take a long time, BUT the ball is rolling. We have planted the seeds for the future to be BETTER! The future people of Iraq will bless the US for what we have done!!!!

 

Nobody agrees with each other.. seems not many have changed opinion on anything.. Some are ignoring me i know that much

 

Democracy? What is it? We have no democracy today, we have an elected oligarchy. And just because it takes the votes of the people to get leaders elected does not mean that the elected are of the people or for the people. Indeed, the citizens participation in democracy ends at the ballot-box's. This could be good, if the elected officials represented the people who have the voting power, but in modern days, republicans and democrats represent the wants of neoliberal capitalists and the wealthy elite...not the people. It is a very corrupt age we live in, most likely the last of American hegemony.

 

What I mean is Iraq is on course to eventually being a country where each INDIVIDUAL will be better off. If you think this was possible in Saddam's Iraq you're deluded. I know that's tough for most Americans to understand because we're so pampered. But if you lived under Saddam all those years, you would know we did a mercy to them. It is a fact most Iraqies are glad Saddam is gone. We cant we be?

Look at the big picture: yes there is widespread killing and violence right now, but that is because of the TERRORISTS!

THEY are the ones who shoot AT US!!!! They cause the violence. Our troops want peace.

THEY want Iraq's people to embrace Islamic facism! OUR TROOPS want to STOP the killing and make Iraq a country where all people have rights to think for THEMSELVES. And we should ALL support the troops and the PRESIDENT in this endeavor.

 

Saddam's the only one with a clue as to how to keep any kind of order in that country.

 

Hitler kept good order too. We did he have to die? Bring back the Nazis!!!!

 

Ask Hitler. He'd prob'ly tell ya he didn't want to be another Mussolini.

 

Well, sorry for that Nazi comment. I really dont like them. Nor do I like Saddam. Thank God our troops got rid of both of them.

 

But are we really any better off for it?

 

Saddam's regime wasn't nice, but it was a secular regime. But it is looking increasingly likely that after the occupation, Iraq will become Sharia state much like its neightbour Iran.

Oh and a small majority of Americans (at least this is what the figures show) are in favour of the war, so it is unlikely they are "deluded" into thinking that Saddam's regime was better. On the other hand, they were/are deluded into thinking that (i) Saddam was in some way responsible for 9-11 and (ii) that the purpose of this war is to better the lives of the Iraqi people.

On another note, I don't think that using BANNED weapons such as white phosphorous in civilian areas can be considered merciful. Is this not a form of terrorism?