Support your Troops

Dont believe those articles you read. It is all propoganda. You havent been there so you dont know how proud the Iraqi children are of us. They are estatic when they see a American and coalition soldier. It makes you proud that they are not under a dictator who suppressed their freedom. It makes you feel patriotic and reasures that the United States is a true model of democracy for other nations to follow. I cant never figure out how someone can not love the men and women who sacrifice themselves for them by putting their lives on the line in the name of liberty. As I said before you cant understand unless you have experienced these militants first hand who want death to all Americans. You will never know. Support your troops. They make a pledge to defend your freedoms and the interests of the USA.

 

George and Dick hate the military men and women,that is so obvious it does not even need an explanation.

 

get this through your stupid fascist head.
YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM OR LIBERTY!! YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR IMPERIALISM, AND AUTHORITARIAN CONTROL!

 

so the united states air forces own newspaper is putting out anti war propaganda..
LMAO.. you just made the argument that the military is against the war even more valid...

how do you know that i havent been to iraq or that im not former military?

you dont!!!!!!!!!!!

i got news for you,,theres quite a few former military on these boards and quite a few veterans of desert storm as well as iraqi freedom!!

actually you remind me of my father.. career military,served in the army navy and airforce in his 30 plus years of service..
you can put the evidence that the majority of the military thinks we shouldnt be in iraq in his face all day long and he will refuse to admit it is true..
so your beliefs dont surprise me..
there WRONG,,lol,,but they dont surprise me...

when did i say i didnt support our military? once again your making assumptions based solely on whats floating around your own brain....

you know how this works is you generally rebuttal what someone actually says not what you assume they think..

 

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,468740,00.html

that is 1% of the total number of troops in iraq going AWOL..
you know,, if you truly are retired military that 1 out of every 100 soldiers serving in iraq going AWOL is a HUGE number...

 

First of all, I'm not American... so I won't be shunned when I say that I in no way, shape, or form support your damn troops.

Anyhow...

You cannot force democracy upon a nation that is not ready for it and doesn't want it. Islam does not work well with democracy, it is not a religion that is based on personal freedom.

I'm an Israeli citizen and I am well aware of the hate of the arab world towards the west. Occupying a nation will not extinguish the hate, but it will merely ignite it by infinite proportions.

Who are you to say that the American "democracy" (which isn't a democracy at all, study up your politics) is the right form of government? People just as ideological as you conquered nations in the name of communism, totalitarianism, monarchy, and many other forms of government because they thought that they were right... yet they always end up wrong.

There is no "right" form of government. People adapt whatever form they choose to adapt. Iraq didn't suddenly become a dictatorship, the people of Iraq allowed it to become one.

Don't get me wrong though, I am extremely content at the fact that Saddam is dead. He was up to no good. Yet, this is the time to leave Iraq and let them figure their own path out. They are capable of it. The path they choose may not reflect your interests, yet that's the way the world works.

I do not see a reason to support your troops. I do not see why an American would want to support the occupation, unless they are a complete idiot who's absolutely blind to the truths of the world.

 

the military teaches you top follow orders believe what your told without question thinking for yourself has become an alien concept to you all thart in your face barking orders crap destroys your free will and makes you a tool..a tool of a currupt government incapable of questyioning what your expected to believe
the very methods used to train you to become a soldier are literaly brainwashing
ofcourse we dont expect you to see this truth right5 away
it will take years of effort to undo what they did to you
or you can cling to these false beliefs and feel self ritouse and falsly persecuted all you want
but heres a lil fact for ya

terrorists exist because of 1 thing..... we piss them off so fucking much theyd give up theyre lives to end ours

ya think shooting them will make them happy? destroying theyre government way of life the very infrastructure they need to survive? u think starvation humiliation and curruption of ancient cultures will make them love us?

you being there makes them all hate you even more..hell every fucckin country in the world would love to see america seace to ecxist becayuse we go around pushing the world around expecyting them to bend to our will

we alone make thjis world as dangerouse as it is
and you are the tool of terrorism oin a global scale

 

I'm telling ya, the guy is a retarded troll looking for attention, there's no way anyone on planet earth is that stupid..impossible.

 

i can tell you this
if this insane illegal war continues it will never stop terrorism there over there terrorism will increase 100000%
but..if it continues
you will find terrorism popping up in your own back yard.. your neighbours and freinds.. using terorism to fight for theyre survival, fight the currupt us government thats threatteniung the stability of the entire world
terrorism will be used as a tool to force the government to bring your troops home
yes terrorists will bve supporting ther troops.. giving theyre lives to save yours...
if mccaine wins.. just watch....
dc will burn in support of your troops

 

someone please send soaring eagle a link to a spell check...

 

Americans are way too lazy and have way too much to loose to be terrorists.

Even ALF and ELF aren't up to any good these days.

Where are the burning hummers?

 

In the words of Immortal Technique:
"They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga
You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election"

Quite a good perspective for a soldier to think about. Don't you? What would you do if someone was changing your way of life and invading the US: Push over or fight? These guys aren't "terrorists". This war was known to happen years ago. We funded Al-Qaeda years ago and made them who they are. We sold Saddam the shit we "went in for" (We went in for money and thats the bottom line. If you think the government gives a shit about freedom, specifically Iraq's, we wouldn't have blown half of them to shit and we wouldn't have the Patriot Act taking away AMERICAN'S freedoms.) which on the news was WMDs, never found, OOPS BUSH MADE A MISTAKE. This war would have been supported a whole lot more if Bush just sat down in a conference like a man and said, "Ok this country needs more money and Oil prices are going to soon be outrageous. We are going to go into debt but soon enough the corporate money will be flowing in and oil will be cheap." Iraq was a more stable country under Saddam, it will always be the most stable under Saddam. Sometimes it takes a dictator to keep his own people from killing each other. The military should offer schooling about real politics and why they are going into x country for x reason. Then again, they wouldn't have many soldiers willing to fight except for good ol' american joe ready to kill some sand niggas.

 

good post :cheers2:

 

"fighting for freedom"

That's just one of several dead give-aways. You'll never hear a combat vet claim to have fought for anything but their own butt.

And a generic "support our troops?" An adult would have posted some reputable organizations, and would state why they are worthy causes. In this case, we have a kid pretending to be a yellow magnet, I believe.

 

Was that the reason we went to war? And perhaps you could tell me when Sadaam did this and who was the American President at that time.

The US occupation of Iraq has killed many times more of the Iraqi citizens than Sadaam has ever been accused of, so where does that put the US in the scheme of things?

In fact the gassing of the Kurds may be as factual as the claims of WMD.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/helms.html

Emphasis added by me.

 

I support the majority of the troops.
People like her are just despicable human beings, in our out of uniform.

If this person is ex-military, I think he might have had his head in the sand for the last couple of years. I very much doubt he is ex-military, but to be honest I do not care either way. If he wants to continue with this facade; I doubt it will last long.

One thing it has done is let a few people articulate their feelings, which has been enlightening for me. So, it has not been a complete waste.

25th Infantry seem to have actually been in Sadr City (deployed March / April 2008) , and have been helping build a new water treatment facility and :
http://tinyurl.com/4uxth4 (I have no Idea what they were doing last year, when he was supposedly there).
So, I do have some respect for them.
I do 'pray' (metaphorically speaking - as I am an atheist) for the safety of the troops and commend the sacrifices they are making.

No comment on Bush.

Aside from your overly cheery disposition, and the fact you probably have a stars and stripes tattooed on your ass. I happen to agree with a lot of your sentiments. Not all of them, I'd not quite be so, well, a proud American who supports Bush unflinchingly. For one thing I'm English; two I'm not discussing my feelings on Bush. I too think we should be there, and it was an attempt to pursue "freedom and democracy". People may not like it, but a large portion of the population did greet the soldiers as hero's and were, and are fully supportive of the work we are doing over there.

But, and it is a big but, you can't gloss over the fact that many people, who supported Saddam, hated the invasion. Many people people who wished for him to go also do not support the continued presence or the initial occupation. There have been many many atrocious acts of inhumanity.
For that, we all should bow our heads in shame. On those points you do need to get your head out of the sand, or atleast acknowledge that reality. Like Higherthanhell has said, you do sound slightly retarded.

It is looking better In Iraq, there are huge strides being taken, in a positive direction. Most of it ignored by the mainstream/Independent media.

 

good post odon..

i have to say that MANY if not all of the military or former military i come into contact with around here,,is that they see themselves as soldiers not policemen and really are sick and tired of waiting around for the iraqis to get there shit together..(the 5th ranger training battalion camp is about 40 miles from here. responsible for the second phase of ranger training,the mountain phase http://www.5thrtb.org/ a HUGE number of retired rangers call this area home)

they were trained to go to war not to play policeman,,however dangerous the conditions may be.. this sentiment seems to transcend divisions as well as non commissioned ranks of the army as well as marine corps(i know many in the reserves and guard as well as active duty of both)

yes they feel we did the right thing,but they also feel its now time to get out and dare i say here,,go find someone else to kill.. lol

a soldier is not only trained in the art of war,he is taught love for his country and comrades,he is taught personal responsibility and dedication to a task.
from what i see,most at this point look at the iraqi situation now as the responsibility of the iraqis and are frustrated beyond words at there lack of dedication to improving the situation in there own country.therefore they wish to wash there hands of the whole mess(or invade iran one,,lol)...

DISCLAIMER:this post was not meant to stir emotions in the anti military crowd here,it was simply to state facts as i see them,so please dont attack the messenger..

 

Thank you.

 

this post is retarded.. you contradict yourself beyond rational thinking..
peacenicks will turn to terrorism to bring the troops home..
you know for someone who doesnt believe in violence you sure seem to advocate it quite frequently on here. oddly enough its always against your own country and its citizens..

trust me if rebellion breaks out in america,the last thing any logical thinking gorilla force (or as you refer to them terrorist) wants is the military back on our soil..just what purpose would that serve a group who is wanting to affect change in our government through violent acts other than to have 170,000 battle hardened soldiers coming after them..
geeze your logic once again makes no rational sense...

 

lol odon,, ya gotta remember that most the kids i come into contact with now are still young and gung ho,and almost all the retired folks i come into contact with are vietnam veterans who were rangers throughout there career ..

i guess i may have embellished a bit on the "find someone else to kill" statement. however facts are facts and they all will tell you that is what they were trained to do,,not ride around playing policemen waiting to be attacked so they can go on the offensive..

and no not all have that attitude otherwise the AWOL rate would not be as high as it is,..
i was more referring to the soldiers who feel that we did the right thing there,the soldiers who are happy with there choice to join the military and "fight for freedom",,so to speak..

you know,,the ones the O.P. was referring to...

for the record i find the AWOL rate and the dissent in the ranks of the military at this stage of the game appalling..
its a volunteer army and we have been in iraq and afghanistan long enough that all who join the ranks of our military should know what they are getting into before they signed on the dotted line..
i have no sympathy for a coward hiding behind the anti war movement as a means to get out of there voluntary commitment to represent this country in uniform..


while i do sympathize with the disgruntled due to the stop gap measures put in place extending there service,this to they knew was a possibility going in..

ah shit,,my colors are starting to show.. lol