survival gardening or guerrilla gardening

Interesting. I just assumed they avoided the word rapeseed, because people thought it was offensive.

You mentioned earlier that potatos were more difficult to grow, but I haven't experienced that. Last year I had several potato volunteers in the garden I worked. Also, potatos can be left in the ground for quite a while without going bad. Seems like the perfect guerilla crop.

 

Gardener, I learn so much from you. Never before did I realise that plants needed certain levels of sunlight and water. Youre so incredibly sage!

Seriously, what the hell are you getting so grouchy about? It sounds like you just like to be the one who knows it all and your way is the way

 

I think the book I was quoting was saying that yes, potatoes are one of the big four guerilla crops but was saying that they were a little more finicky than the other three.

 

I too have some ideas about what I'm going to do but one can never know for sure till it happens. I just thought that a thread like this would get others, who maybe had not thought about, to thinking about it and maybe get some suggestions that I hadn't heard or thought of. Who knows what might be helpful in the long run.

 

Gotcha.

 

HHB I wasn't asking for personal details of your survival plans, as you say that wouldn't be wise. Just some general tips to help others with their survival plans.

Tips like, when you go to the store buy two cans of soup instead of one and store one. Or the rule of threes, where if something is important to your survival think of three different ways get that thing.

 

indoor gardening. terrarium hydroponics. ...... just sayin..

 

requires some sort of power on any measurable scale .there has been lots of talk of the power grid failing on a massive scale over the last year or so.


not saying it cant be done with solar,but indoors in most cases means lights as well as pumps so the power required,therefore the solar system required means the cost to set it all up goes through the roof pretty quickly.

then there is the consideration of room to grow any measurable amount of food.

but i guess if you have lots of money and plenty of room ya may as well dream big and go with indoor solar powered aquaponics and get your fish as well as your veggies in one system.. now theirs a idea for the person with a spare 1000 climate controlled square feet and 20 grand or so..lol

 

Well if you've got house plants they might as well be productive.

 

uh oh, watch out hhb.
gardener despises permaculture

great thread! this is just the sort of thing that is important know about, especially now.
if i were forced to guerrilla garden (a possibility for sure: i own no land. i dont really own anything actually), i have only a rough idea of how i would go about it. permaculture principles would naturally come into play, theres just no other way you could grow stealthily in random areas.
around where i am, there are cuts through the forest for powerlines. its a good place to grow because it gets plenty of sunlight and can be quite out of the way. i know pot growers who make use of it, there is also enough brush to provide cover for strategically placed plants.

what about livestock? would you attempt to keep chickens or goats? if you were really living out of the way, you could have an old school goat herd prehaps, or one or two tethered (more mobile). chickens will stick around if you build a lean to for them (i know im not telling you anything new hhb, its just stuff ive thought about) but its harder to be on the move with them.
anyway, i could keep going for a long time on this interesting tangent but i havnt slept and its 7:30 am.

btw hhb, i was stoked when you posted in dreadlocks for a while and it would be sweet if you came back! im not the only one who thinks so.
and dont worry about soaringasswipe. his guru status is now shakey at best

 

old men are always scared to try new things.

oh we have said that we more than likely would bring a couple goats along at least for a while,if they obviously were going to be a security risk,there is always jerky.. depending on distance,we have also discussed taking a couple chickes.the problem we see with them is the space required to carry them will take away room for other essential items.

i would love to however that would require i could even see them..

it seems THE omnipotent one here has decided i am to no longer ever even think about posting there again and to make sure of it has not only banned me from there but has made it to where i cant even read the threads anymore..

 

well a simple light bulb can grow a plant and i have friends that power much off of batteries and crazy systems they built themselves to live free and clear in the woods ,

and bean sprouts require little to no effort . hell a chia pet can grow with little to no sunlight. wont feed your whole family but stock up on them bitches lol..

mushrooms grow in the dark. very edible and yummy.

i am a Community garden club president, i actually teach low income families to supplement their dinner tables w food they grow themselves. we stock the local food pantries w fresh beans, tomatoes , turnips .. etc..

i say freeze your unused garden yields , i have ate off my last years garden all winter. you can also dry your foods. this will give you a long long shelf life.

the key is understanding that all of this could happen so what would u do ? are you prepared in case ?

i am actually getting my Hamm radio license .. just in case. i read The Stand lol i wanna be prepared damn it.

 

also canning your own yields .. this takes much much effort but you can have a super long shelf life from it if you keep them in a cool dark place.

container gardening is so simple anyone can do this. ... there is a great option you can take your plants in and out of your home for safety sakes.

 

as i stated earlier in this thread,we grow 100% of our own vegetables and are 90% self sustaining. pretty much only need a solar system to be 100% but we could do without power if we need to.

that is why i KNOW to grow all the food 2 people need indoors would require a huge investment. a couple CFL'S and a 12 volt battery aint gonna cut it and if your a community garden club president you should know that.as with anything there are exceptions to this but generally speaking most homes are not set up to provide the needed conditions to grow your food supply indoors.

as far as sprouts,ya gotta grow the bean before ya can sprout it..

while i agree that preserving what you grow is important,i think the focus of this thread was stealth growing in order to actually have something to store away..that being said,you mentioned freezing veggies,one should really think about the implications of relying on electricity being there to preserve their food. without a proper backup system,3 days without electricity and your food supply is gone.

 

and i totally agree, that 3 days w out electricity would ruin a supply . that is where drying your food and canning it is necessary NOW .

if you remember to divide up your yield into 3 parts now it will help you later. .

eat, reproduce w it, and preserve it . that is the only way this can work.you have to do these things now , not when it happens. that is the truth of the matter. preparing your family now is a must.

as far as grow lights u may not need them . the sun will be there you will just have to find a way to be secretive w it. . and if you container garden your food source is mobile. you can pack and go. or take it in or out of your dwelling as necessary.

there are many edible flowers/plants/veggies/fruit that can grow w little sun or shady areas too like i said before..

the problem , like you said is having enough food to sustain your individual family unit.... you are correct again ,

BUT i will say that from a 4 by 4 foot plot you can , if you choose wisely have plenty of food for an entire year for a family of four , i did and i do . know your zones , know what grows best for each season and plan accordingly .

our plots are 4 by 4 feet, and i always have enough produce to supplement my table.

i also choose to container garden w about 22 containers on my own much of which i am able to donate. .

you would most defiantly still have to hunt , gather and search for other food sources , that is very true. there will be no way around it.

i am a Freegan so i actually use the gov to my advantage. i go to food drops and use Harvesters, and dumpsters to survive. the key is finding your own survival plan NOW . doubtful that in the event there is a global catastrophe that there will be food drops that we wont have to kill or maim for .. so that would be out for me ,

think about , how many dried beans you have on stock in your cabinets ?, how many seeds do you have stock piled?, how much dried fruit do you have etc . .at all times. not just in an emergency or after an emergency ..

i feel the need to stock pile dried goods at all times, canning my yield was costly the first year, but now i have my supplies and it cost me nothing but time and energy.

also rain water collection, and stacking your containers so the top plants water bottom plants has helped me to dual purpose water then i have a collection pan so i can again reuse the water ..

also knowing what is edible NOW will help your family , dont try to go to google in the event of an emergency , start studying what things you can eat now, just like a boyscout always be prepared.... there are things that are edible that you could eat that you could not imagine eating , but are totally safe.

i understand that it is about stealth growing , but like i said the only way for your family to survive a huge catastrophe is to plan and prepare now. not later is all i am saying,

there is no way you can all of sudden after a huge emergency survive if you are not thinking about it now and preparing yourself now.

and if you are growing most of your food now then u know preparation now is key.. i totally agree that you would have to have all of your supplies now , gathering them in the event would not be possible. and costly yes, it is costly yes , like i said the first year i canned it was expensive , now it cost nadda.

and the chia pet thing while i was being flippant, it is a food source that grows anywhere even a desk top.. lol..

peace hempmama

 

LOL, BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the rest of your post i more or less agree with although as i said before,very few people have the perfect home to grow veggies indoors with no lights whatsoever. our home is passive solar but we couldnt do it year round due to sun angles even if we had the room.
but trust me,i know what can be grown in a 4x4 area,we practice square foot gardening as well as several other intensive gardening methods and there is no way.
you couldnt supply one persons needs from that small of a space. even if you ate nothing but greens..

supplement,why of course,thats about the size of plot that we grow our salad veggies in the greenhouse in the winter time,but it comes nowhere close to being enough to feed us all the veggies we eat. just a few salads through the week is all.

 

just come on over to our garden and see, .. we do a nice job, honest no bs..

although i do dig the shit out of you.. .. pinching your cheeks now as i type. .. pinch pinch pinch....

ill post some photos of it sometime . we do a nice job., no the tattoo ink has not absorbed into my brain.. haa. honest i can feed my family nicely on my 4 by 4, . although i do have 3 of them, as well as the 22 containers.

this year i am gardening from a community garden that is 30 miles from my home as well, that will be interesting to say the least. not sure how it will work so far from my home,

and have i told u how much i LOVE your screen name. .???? hugs

 

ok whatever you say.. im looking forward to seeing this 4x4 space that provides enough food to sustain a family of four year round..

lol..

heres the very beginnings of our gardens this year,there are only the two of us working them so they may seem a lil small to you. we manage to feed 3 adults year round off its harvest though.

Dilli's Dang Gardens

that doesnt include the acre plot that is now dedicated to grains for animal feed..

 

Hey Hey now, watch it, I'm older than gardener!

 

lol, but your still young at heart i can tell..