Tata Tony, Byebye Blair

I'd rather not see the green party elected, but thats just my personal opinion

 

he's top of the new labour clique who have captured the LP from the left.

 

I agree with Chris in part. But what has really made me hate Blair is not what he's done to the Labour party, but to the whole country, dragging us behind a ridiculously right wing, neo-conservative American administration into one of the most disastrous wars in living memory....

 

Glad to see he got a good roasting at the TUC conference - but they were like vultures circling a dying animal, it's a shame they never went in for the kill themselves when it really mattered back in 2003. Still, he looked close to tears at one point. Cool Britania himself lost his cool....

 

Just to say, I think blair should go NOW! The only good thing he gave us was devaluotion. But after Bush, he turned into more like thatcher.

As for Brown, I think their should be a bi-election, people are sick of Labour! Brown looks like the guys my dad used to do photography work for....Same Upmarket scottish accent, same hair, same build, same view on life.

 

Do you mean a general election? The trouble with that is that, although the Lib Dems or SNP may gain from an election in Scotland, nationally if one were called now, we'd probably be lumbered with the Tories. And although Cameron's stance on quite a few issues, ID cards and drugs being prime examples, is actually more liberal than President Blair's, the last thing I'd want to see are more years of Tory rule. Better the devil you know....

 

Thing is, People are sick of the Tories AND Labour.....

Also, I have a feeling cameron is acting for votes, pretending to be more liberal, he could be another blair....

Another national gerneral election would be just the thing that we need. We need someone other than Labour or the tories.....Anyone (as long as it is NOT the BNP or UKIP)

 

The trouble is we won't get anyone else. I don't trust Cameron as far as I can throw him. Nor do I have much faith in the Lib Dems. They've been very opportunistic in the last couple of years, first proposing to raise upper band taxes, then entertaining the idea of a flat rate tax and proposing further privatisation beyond anything the Tories did, leaning to the left when they needed to attract Labour voters, then swinging to the right when they needed to target Tory seats. It doesn't give me much faith in them. And Menzes Campbell, although pacifistic, is probably centre-right on most social issues, which isn't something that inspires me particularly.


The SSP in Scotland might have been placed to make a few gains, were it not for Tommy Sheridan's ego. Socialism in Scotland's been derailed for the forseeable future now I think. In England, Respect might make a few gains, of which I would be supportive, but they're not going to set the world on fire. Unfortunately, all I can see is more of the same and, though I wouldn't vote for Labour with Brown as their leader, I would rather Brown than Dave the Chameleon....

 

hm.... good point. I am offically clamped!

 

Best thing for the country would be the Green Party. Hell, I'd even prefer the British Communist Party to Blair or Cameron. The Lib Dems would be another good choice though, time to give them a taste of victory to put a rocket up their backsides.
On a lighter note, vote Monster Raving Loony Party

 

I think the Lib Dems might have been a better choice under Kennedy, but under Campbell they're a much less attractive option. They've taken a sharp swing to the right with very little press on it - a misleading option I'd say. Greens possibly, I've voted for them before and would do again. They do have a very progressive agenda. At the moment I tend to vote for whatever the socialist or green option is in my constituency without being too sectarian about it....

 

Hey.....The moster raving loonies! Why not?!

 

Well it wouldn't make much of a difference. I suppose you could say the same about any vote, but I'm naive enough to keep on trying

 

Tony Blair is sexy as fuck! Keep him in for another 10 years, I say!

 

oh, of course all that as well, but as a supporter of LP entryism, he has just realllly ticked me off to say the least.

 

I respect Socialist Appeal's position on entryism, and I wish them luck, but I can't see the Labour Party being reclaimed now. The Labour party from its foundations has never been a socialist party. It has been a social democratic party, and much more left wing than it is now, but even before they were founded they had already expelled the radical socialists. It seems to me socialists are clinging to the coat tails of Labour, taking it as the ideal of the party to which the mass of working class have traditionally orientated, but at the same time it is a party that doesn't want them. When Labour expelled Militant, and when Clause 4 was dropped, it seems that could never have been clearer.

Also, though again I wish SA luck in entryism, I could never vote for, or join, the Labour party in good conscience given their recent history. I think the only way to pull Labour back to the left is to create an alternative party, which they must either compete with for working class votes, or become socialist themselves thus rendering an alternative redundant. Several examples exist, all of them flawed to some extent. For the moment, I tend to vote Respect or Green, or any other socialist party that stands (I'm not sectarian at all) and would support the Socialist Party's campaign for a new workers party.