Ten Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries

We commies must be doing something right! Two of marx's rightings, what is to be done on an honerable mention as well. On libery is another good book.

 

im reading no. 6 (Das Kapital) at the moment :H

 

funny that Fear and Loathing didn't make it

 

Never met a book or a woman that I did not like

 

hahaha thats mental!

funny that they picked the communist manafesto over hitlers racist xenophobic text haha

apparently racisim isnt as bad as a good bit of communist bashing

and On Liberty is one of those books, when the routes of conservatism are routed in that book

idiots

 

Das Kapital!!!!
How did that get on their? Marx but a little buffer in that book of his, by making the entire Das Kapital aga way to damn long! And so much of it is abotu economics? How in the world coudl this be a dangerous book?

 

stalin killed more people than hitler via the vehicle of communism,


so really?


it's all a question of simple math....

as for the rest of those some are ridiculous, kinsey and feminist mystique? how are those damaging?

 

Raven23 hits the nail on the head.

Gotta honestly address the source of problems.

.

 

to be fair, im not a communist or marxist, however i still know that marx's text came nearly 80 years before stalin had even assumed power.

Marx and Stalin are quite far appart, and stalins own brand of socialism was dubbed 'Stalinism' because it was so violently different from marx's own ideology marx wanted a free society ultimately and not totalitarianism

hell, marx was in his grave long before any of the revolutions even took place.

 

more people is killed in the name of bible than will ever be based on communism. and ever-repeating misunderstanding - stalin, mao, castro or any ever lived dictator never established communism - only their versions of dogmatic dictatorships.

 

The worse is all the crap all the tv station send thru the cable specially the news and local tv station opinions. and many of the goverment run tv stations.

 

I'm not normally given to quotations, but given the subject of the thread I couldn't resist this little gem from Oscar Wilde. It's from the preface of The Picture of Dorian Grey, 1891:

"There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written or badly written."

Of course the authorities don't want you to read Marx. We live in a world of Information Technology (IT). If you reverse Information Technology and add it to Marx the result would be, let's say inevitable, ergo:

MARX + IT = M A T R I X

If you take the three letters 'TRI', which in itself means three, i.e. TRIangle, TRIpod, TRInity and if you intersperse them with HEL then you’ll get another name from the list of undesirable books:

TRI + HEL = HITLER

And last but not least, if you take all the TRIX out of MATRIX and add nothing at all to it, you get the third undesirable of our ever caring shepherds:

MATRIX – TRIX + 0 = MAO

Conspiracy, word play, or me just being bored?

You decide.

You heard it here first. Free your mind.

 

haha funny i found this thread today. i started reading Nietzsche's book last night.

i found this kinda funny and uneccessary " the nazi's love nietzsche"

 

right
this pisses me off no end, and i feel an urge to clarify it everytime its even vaguely mentioned

nietzsche was NOT a racist
his SISTER was...

she took his later works, and corrupted them, works which were released after nietazche was dead, and to which he had absolutely no editorial control...because he was dead

anything after beyond good and evil is avoidable, because he'd said everything he wanted to before that, hell he said himself that everything he ever wanted to say was contained in thus spoke zarathustra

nietzsche is not a racist, its only the uneducated idiots, who have never read nietzsche, and mearly echo this "nazi" idea that think that he is a nazi



AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

 

In all essence, philosophy, like religion and the letter of the law, can be twisted to mean anything to anyone. Like Stalin abused the works of Marx, thus did Hitler and his cronies use Nietzche's philosophy for their own ends, namely propaganda. Spyder is right to be upset at the alteration of historical facts, but sadly people don't always have the time or energy to focus on a particular study and have to rely on other opinions (that might even be less clued up).

Being from Greece I am used to it. I've seen what America has done with our history, The Iliad with balls of napalm rolling down the non-existent hills of Troy and the suspiciously Orthodox-looking priest standing inside King Priam's palace, over a thousand years before Christianity even became a concept. Alexander, a film I blatantly refuse to watch, which rather than focus on the life of the greatest ever historical figure, debases his achievements with theoretical homoerotic fantasies, probably those of the director. Zina, no comment and Hercules, complete with leather jeans. Fuck me. Next we'll have Zeus riding a Harley around Olympus!

Bottom line: We're not responsible for any misinformation that we pick up, but at least I'm glad there are dudes like Spyder in this forum that can set the record straight.

Now I'm off to the Acropolis to buy a pizza.

 

scorpion, yes! i completely agree!

and im not getting at the guy that posted before me(just incase anyone thinks that thats the case) cos he really wasnt making an "anti-nietzsche" statement. personally nietzsche is someone i have a really deep interest in, and i just dont want people even to get the slightest wrong impression about him.

i agree with what you said about the state of greek history, it is a complete shame that well for the sake of naming names, hollywood and america have taken it and warped it

but then again, im shocked at the way that people are not aware of history, greek history inperticular, maybe its something to do with parenting, or a wider educational problem, but when i grew up i was very aware of greek myths and ledgends, purely because from a childs perspective(especially a boys) they're just so exciting! i dunno, a very close friend of mine, wasent aware of the story of the trojan horse untill she'd seen the film! and i was really shocked by that

i just think its a shame that things from history enter the public coinciousness from a warped perspective. and that people have to learn things from films like "troy" whos sole purpose is to titilate and not to educate.

 

Who first came up with the idea of banning books? It seems like a violation of freedom of speech is you ask me. If you don't like a book, just don't read it! Unfortunately, things aren't that simple...

 

The christians destroy over the last thousands of years the greek history becouse theres was so much homosexuality in the greek great history. Spartans, Plato etc etc. many of the art form from that era was destroy by them. little survives this day.

 

This is probably one of the most interesting threads that's been around a while now and I'm glad to see there are people out there who are willing to discuss something that deserves a little more thought.

Yes, people are responsible for banning and destroying books and great works of art in the name of religion.

A fine example for those that appreciate history is this web page I found.

http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/1204.html

It illustrates what has been mentioned before and relates the sacking of Constantinople by the Crusaders. Christians slaying Christians. It's interesting because it gives live accounts from both sides. I wonder how many people are aware of this little number in history?

When this city was sieged, the Catholics seized a great opportunity to destroy and steal many priceless items. It is said that the mercenaries that accompanied the Crusaders kept themselves warm by burning the last remaining plays of Sophocles, which is the reason why out of the hundreds of plays he wrote we only have 7 in existence.

There are others that say that they're hidden in the Vatican vaults, because they don't want us to see them, amongst other mind-opening stuff. I, however, couldn't possibly comment.

 

Probably the most telling event which displayed the decline of the crusader ideal was the capture and pillage of the Christian bastion of Constantinople by the members of the Fourth Crusade in 1204. The subsequent dismemberment of the Byzantine Empire weakened Christendom in the Near East and created an animousity between Catholics and Orthodox which has lasted into the 20th century. Below are excerpts of sources dealing with the crusaders siezure and looting of the largest city in Christendom.​

Below is a description from Robert of Clari of the sermons given by the Latin bishops before the final attack on Constantinople, in which they justified attacking other Christians.[1]

LXXII. When the pilgrims saw this,[2] they were very angry and grieved much; they went back from the other side of the harbor to their lodgings. When the barons had returned and had gotten ashore, they assembled and were much amazed, and said that it was on account of their sins that they did not succeed in anything and could not capture the city. Meanwhile the bishops and the clergy in the army debated and decided that the war was a righteous one, and that they certainly ought to attack the Greeks. For formerly the inhabitants of the city had been obedient to the law of Rome and now they were disobedient, since they said that the law of Rome was of no account, and called all who believed in it Ad dogs." And the bishops said that for this reason one ought certainly to attack them, and that it was not a sin, but an act of great charity.

LXXIII. Then it was announced to all the host that all the Venetians and every one else should go and hear the sermons on Sunday morning;[3] and they did so. Then the bishops preached to the army, the bishop of Soissons, the bishop of Troyes, the bishop of Havestaist [4] master Jean Faicette [5] and the abbot of Loos, and they showed to the pilgrims that the war was a righteous one; for the Greeks were traitors and murderers, and also disloyal, since they had murdered their rightful lord, and were worse than Jews. Moreover, the bishops said that, by the authority of God and in the name of the pope, they would absolve all who attacked the Greeks. Then the bishops commanded the pilgrims to confess their sins and receive the communion devoutly; and said that they ought not to hesitate to attack the Greeks, for the latter were enemies of God. They also commanded that all the evil women should be sought out and sent away from the army to a distant place. This was done; the evil women were all put on a vessel and were sent very far away from the army.

Below is a description by Villhardouin of the capture of the city.[6]

Agreement between the Franks and the Venetians before Attacking Constantinople. Now let us leave speaking of those who avoided the host and speak of those before Constantinople. Well had these prepared all their engines, and mounted their petraries, and mangonels on the ships and on the transports, and got all such engines of war as are needful for the taking of and raised ladders from the yards and masts of the vessels so high that they were a marvel to behold.[7]

And when the Greeks saw this, they began, on their side, to strengthen the defences of the city which was enclosed by high walls and high towers. Nor was any tower so high that they did not raise therein two or three stages of wood to heighten it still more. Never was city so well fortified. Thus did the Greeks and the Franks bestir themselves on the one side and the other during the greater part of Lent.

Then those of the host spoke together, and took counsel what they should do. Much was advanced this way and that, but in the end, they devised that if God granted them entry into the city by force, all the booty taken was to be brought together, and fittingly distributed; and further, if the city fell into their power, six men should be taken from among the Franks, and six from among the Venetians, and these twelve should swear, on holy relics, to elect as emperor the man who, as they deemed, would rule with most profit to the land. And whosoever was thus elected emperor, would have one quarter of whatever was captured, whether within the city or without, and moreover would possess the palace of Bucoleon and that of Blachernæ; and the remaining three parts would be divided into two, and one of the halves awarded to the Venetians and the other to those of the host.

And there should be taken twelve of the wisest and most experienced men among the host of the pilgrims, and twelve among the Venetians, and those twentyfour would divide fiefs and honours, and appoint the service to be done therefor to the emperor.

This covenant was made sure and sworn to on the one side and the other by the Franks and the Venetians; with provision that at the end of March, a year thence, any who so desired might depart hence and go the* way, but that those who remained in the land would be held to the service of the emperor in such manner as might be ordained. Thus was the covenant devised and made sure; and such as should not observe it were excommunicated by the clergy.

Attack of the Crusaders Repulsed--They Make Ready for Another Assault. The fleet was very well prepared and armed, and provisions were got together for the pilgrims. On the Thursday after midLent (8th April 1204), all entered into the vessels, and put their horses into the transports. Each division had its own ships, and all were ranged side by side; and the ships were separated from the galleys and transports. A marvellous sight it was to see; and well does this book bear witness that the attack, as it had been devised, extended over full half a French league.

On the Friday morning the ships and the galleys and the other vessels drew near to the city in due order, and then began an assault most fell and fierce. In many places the pilgrims landed and went up to the walls, and in many places the scaling ladders on the ships approached so close that those on the towers and on the walls and those on the ladders crossed lances, hand to hand. Thus lasted the assault, in more than a hundred places, very fierce, and very dour, and very proud, till near upon the hour of nones.

But, for our sins, the pilgrims were repulsed in that assault, and those who had landed from the galleys and transports were driven back into them by main force. And you must know that on that day those of the host lost more than the Greeks, and much were the Greeks rejoiced thereat And some there were who drew back from the assault, with the ships in which they were. And some remained with their ships at anchor so near to the city that from either side they shot at one another with petraries and mangonels.

Then, at vespers time, those of the host and the Doge of Venice called together a parliament, and assembled in a church on the other side of the straits-on the side where they had been quartered. There were many opinions given and discussed; and much were those of the host moved for the mischief that had that day befallen them. And many advised that they should attack the city on another side- the side where it was not so well fortified. But the Venetians, who had fuller knowledge of the sea, said that if they went to that other side, the current would carry them down the straits, and that they would be unable to stop their ships And you must know that there were those who would have been well pleased if the current had borne them down the straits, or the wind, they cared not whither, so long as they left that land behind, and went on their way. Nor is this to be wondered at, for they were in sore peril.

Enough was there spoken, this way and in that; but the conclusion of their deliberation was this: that they would repair and refit on the following day, which was Saturday, and during the whole of Sunday, and that on the Monday they would return to the assault; and they devised further that the ships that carried the scaling ladders should be bound together, two and two, so that two ships should be in case to attack one tower; for they had perceived that day how only one ship had attacked each tower, and that this had been too heavy a task for the ship, seeing that those in the tower were more in number than those on the ladder. For this reason was it well seen that two ships would attack each tower with greater effect than one. As had been settled, so was it done, and they waited thus during the Saturday and Sunday.

The Crusaders Take Part of the City. Before the assault the Emperor Mourzuphles had come to encamp, with all his power, in an open space, and had there pitched his scarlet tents. Thus matters remained till the Monday morning, when those on the ships, transports, and galleys were all armed. And those of the city stood in much less fear of them than they did at the beginning, and were in such good spirits that on the walls and towers you could see nothing but people. Then began an assault proud and marvellous, and every ship went straight before it to the attack. The noise of the battle was so great that it seemed to rend the earth.

Thus did the assault last for a long while, till our Lord raised a wind called Boreas which drove the ships and vessels further up on to the shore. And two ships that were bound together, of which the one was called the Pilgrim and the other the Paradise, approached so near to a tower, the one on the one side and the other on the other-so as God and the wind drove them-that the ladder of the Pilgrim joined on to the tower. Immediately a Venetian, and a knight of France, whose name was Andrew of Urboise, entered into the tower, and other people began to enter after them, and those in the tower were discomfited and fled.

When the knights see this, who are in the transports, they land, and raise their ladders against the wall, and scale the top of the wall by main force, and so take four of the towers. And all begin to leap out of the ships and transports and galleys, helterskelter, each as best he can; and they break in some three of the gates and enter in; and they draw the horses out of the transports; and the knights mount and ride straight to the quarters of the Emperor Mourzuphles. He had his battalions arrayed before his tents, and when his men see the mounted knights coming, they lose heart and fly and so goes the emperor flying through the streets to the castle of Bucoleon.

Then might you have seen the Greeks beaten down; and horses and palfreys captured, and mules, and other booty of killed and wounded there was neither end nor measure A great part of the Greek lords had fled towards the gate of Blachernæ. And vespers-time had already past, and those of the host were weary of the battle and of the slaying. And they began to assemble in a great open space that was in Constantinople, and decided that they would take up their quarters near the wall and towers they had captured. Never had they though that in a whole month they should be able to take the city, with its great church, and great palaces, and the people that were in It.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * *

During that night, towards the quarters of Boniface, Marquis of Montferrat, certain people, whose names are unknown to me, being in fear lest the Greeks should attack them, set fire to the buildings between themselves and the Greeks. And the city began to take fire, and to burn very direfully; and it burned all that night and all the next day, till vesperstime. And this was the third fire there had been in Constantinople since the Franks arrived in the land; and more houses had been burned in the city than there are houses in any three of the greatest cities in the kingdom of France.