The 1st law

1) Existence is a Closed System.
Can you go outside of it?

 

2) Physics Papers are not the Word.
But only a fool ignores them in favor of egotistical delusions.

 

3) Thermodynamics define Time/Space/Existence
Spatial measurements define only distance/direction.

 

That we are finite does not mean that infinity is not actuality itself. Human existence,
and existence -why conflate such fated states?
Thermodynamics bears the brunt of all besides...lol
Eternity is possible. It is just us. Our idea. Open closure, levity left
with nowhere to leave! A stop on what?! lol Self, a philosophical problem some say, lets there be out! Selves are vessels to satisfy all beyonds, no matter how basely or bravely based. Nature abhors a vacuum, but then existence is no system!

You'll pardon my laughing that this statement makes it look very much like you're of the notion that space does not somehow define itself always to the very last detail. What we claim in our consciousness is all too real! There is no absolute! Infinity is never final!

 

If thermodynamic systems are described using thermal energy instead of temperature, then entropy is just a number by which the thermal energy in the system is multiplied. The resulting energy is an energy for which no information is available which would be required to convert the energy in technical systems from one form (e.g. electrical) into another form (e.g. mechanical).

I think you misinterpret the meaning of entropy geck, as being nonexistence, or an end point.

 

Does the law of thermodynamics account for gravity?

 

If this were the philosophy forum I might bother with a response.
But it's been awhile since anyone has made a provocative statement there that wasn't laughable.

Feel free to try your luck.

 

IF????
Qualify that "if", please!!!

Incorrect.
But first---

 

Gravity causes acceleration, which increases Entropy.

So, within the purvey of Energy exchances, YES.
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As for Entropy--

All things are a form of energy. Total Entropy would be the symetrical dispertion of all energy in existence.
At that point, PERFECT ORDER is achived as Energy content is evenly dispersed and all events(energy transfers) cease to occur.

NOTHING(a difference which makes no difference)

exist.
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Relativity says it is so, Quantum Theory says it is not quite so.

And The Uncertainty Principle indicates it is... and it isn't.
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The real question is this:

What is the relaionship between Gravity and Time? And if there is one--
Do Gravitons and Chronotons exist? Can one exist without the other?

But I superseede the discussion---

Anyone with an example of infinity?

 

Ok I will palaver .

Space has always been in interest.
TIME more so.

I conceptualise space as a thing that exists because mass is.
It folds over on all the mass there is is this bubble called 'universe'
All space leads back on itself The warp and weave of einstein space
means the warp folds.

Time is a product of all law. All laws need to process. And they do.
In so doing they generate phenomena.

US

 

Geckopelli:

Symmetrical dispersion of all energy??

Motion.

 

No, it doesn't. Thermodynamics does not explain gravity. Gravity may be part of a thermodynamic equation, but no thermodynamic equation accounts for gravity.

The statement is entropy never decreases, therefore such a state as absolute zero, by definition, does not exist.

What difference does it make, any offer will be discounted as a matter of course because your formula are based on belief.

 

1) Even distribution of energy-- the end product of 2nd law.
All differences are differences in Energy content. When differences in Energy Content cease to exist, DIFFERENCES cease to exist.
And a Difference that makes no Difference IS no Difference.

If the Difference between HERE and THERE dose NOT EXIST than here is there and everywhere is nowhere...

2) See above.
Motion requires HERE and THERE-- a Difference.

 

This is close to the "Rubber Sheet Universe". And herein lies the conflict with Quantum Theory.

First, before we may proceed, we must agree on the Time/Space Continum concept. That is to say that, for our purposes, "Matter" is tentatively (I shall leave the "Tentatively"s assumed) any Energy concentration displying "mass', i.e., capable of producing Gravatic Interactions, and that exist in at least 4 deminsions-- Depth, Length, Height, and Duration.

Prime Axiom: Existence requires Energy Content.

if that is acceptable, Thought Experiment Time:

In all the Universe, a single electron (the smallest unit of "mass") is all that exist.

Question: Does Gravity exist?

Relative answer: YES. Mass "folds" space as suggested above. if a second particle were introduced into this Universe, it would immediately* respond to the gravitational field of the original Particle.

Quantum answer: NO. Gravatic interaction requires particle exchange. A single electron cannot exchange gravitons. If a second particle appeared, a graviton would be generated betweeen the two particles.

So, logically, one of two things may happen.

1) the electron emaniates gravitons, in which case the Universe will eventually fill up with gravitons, which meets the requirements of 2nd law- however, appears to violate 1st law.(where's the Energy come from?).

or

2)Gravity is a property of two or more particles of mass sharing existence.
This conflicts with nothing.
make it fit with relativity and you got unified Field theory and a Nobel.
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So to say that Space exist because mass is is to simple. back to the above--

in a Universe containing a single particle of Mass, there is no Quantum need for space to extend beyond the influence of the Weak Nuclear Force.

Now take into account the General Expansion of the Universe and the fact that the gravatic Constant is dropping as a result.

The Conclusion is that Time itself is a manifestaion of that Expansion, which in it's turn is a manifestation of 2nd law-- the overall tendency for a closed system to cool.
Since the Heat of the Universe must seek equalibrium it CREATES Expansion through secondary effect of Space/Time, allowing gravatic resistence (tides) to eventually use up all the expansion enegry. When Equalibrium is achieved, eternity ends.

I doubt that's clear.
But than again, i'm pretty wasted.

 

You said "account" for gravity.

And the Statement is "in a closed system, Entropy tends to increase".

Any "offer" I can shoot down with FACTS, WILL be shot down.

You're growing tiresome.

THINK!!!!

 

Wordsmith, to account for is also to explain or make an accounting of.

The second law of thermodynamics states that in general the total entropy of any system will not decrease other than by increasing the entropy of some other system. Hence, in a system isolated from its environment, the entropy of that system will tend not to decrease.

You've shot down nothing and I grow tired of it because you have been dismissive from the outset. You cannot bully me because you believe you have the science down. You clearly do not.

 

Differences in energy content don't cease to exist, they only change. The differences are nothing in themselves---the content, the energy, it remains, and there's the difference. There, here, everywhere, and nowhere else.

Difference goes on differing.

And never was.

A difference always makes a difference.

The difference that it is. Difference is necessarily subject to individuated perception. Universally speaking, it is logical to hold that everything is what it is. The only way to account for motion, is infinitely.

...ELSE. Already covered that.

No, it really only requires infinity. This is actually happening.

 

No, it doesn't!

The Laws of Thermodynamics apply to a SINGLE CLOSED SYSTEM.
The basic assumption behinf Thermodynamics is that the Universe is a Closed System.
Anyone can easily check this.
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Your nonesense is a self-serving attempt to pacify your ego; refuting my more-or-less accurate application of Theoretical Physics with misinterpreted insistence--

is religon, not Science .

 

I've lost paitence-- this is, after all, a SCIENCE FORUM!!!!!!

So, rather than bother addressing your baloney, I'l just state that your Full of it, not one thing you said has meaning, and that "A difference that makes no difference IS no difference" is A FUNDEMENTAL PROPERTY OF EXISTENCE.

Now, challenge anything I've said WITH FACTS, not your ignorant opinion.

 

lol The facts!

Relax. It may be embarrassing for you that you're wrong about what is 'required' for motion, but we're all learning

No, since there is no such difference. A difference always makes a difference. A = A

(I can be a patient man when I want to be Gecko.) lol