The 2nd Amendment

What does "shall not be infringed" mean to you? Just out of curiosity.

The only way it would be constitutional is to repeal the 2nd amendment. And good luck with that.

 

No I wouldn't want to walk in front of a .410, but I hope it's not a single shot because one .410 shell isn't going to stop much. She'd be better off dumping a glock magazine on them, but whatever.

Seriously? And you say I make weak arguments.

Let me ask you something. Does marijuana have any potential medical value? Is it more addictive than cocaine and amphetamines?

I didn't realize suddenly laws were all encompassing of truth..

I also wasn't aware of any laws classifying an AR15 as an assault rifle, except an expired and ineffective ban from the nazi Feinstein drafted in the 90s. And even then it was something like 3 or more cosmetic features that made it an "assault weapon".. nothing to do with function or caliber of the weapon.

Man, I thought hippies questioned authority? Since when did you guys beg big brother to come (with tanks and machine guns) and have their way with innocent citizens?

I'm gonna have to respond to this later myself, I'm liberal'd out at the moment.

 

"keep and bear arms"
While it may be possible to keep a howitzer, I've never seen anyone capable of bearing one.

 

Indie

But the thing I notice is that many pro-gunners do promote guns they are seemingly encouraging others to go out and purchase them.

They promote the benefits of owning a gun - that it can protect you from harm - and they often highlight the drawbacks of not having a gun - that someone without a gun for protection could get badly beaten up, stabbed, raped, murdered etc etc.

Many pro-gunners deny they are trying to sell guns but that is what advertiser do - they try and convince the punter that they are not trying to sell them something they are ‘just stating the facts’ about the ‘reality’ of things.

- I’m not saying you need these disinfectant wipes but did you know that if you don’t have them you children could get sick from all the germs in your house?

- I’m not saying you need a gun but did you know that if you don’t have one you could very likely be murdered, raped, stabbed or seriously beaten up?

 

But why do people think their home is going to be invaded*? What does it say about a society where so many people think that there homes are going to be invaded? A place where people are so afraid that it is going to happen that they feel they need to be prepared for it by having lethal weapons.

*not burgled which usually happens when people are not in the house but ‘invade’ - To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.( The American Heritage Dictionary).

I’m saying that if there wasn’t this level of apprehension, dread, disquiet, foreboding, worry, maybe people wouldn’t feel like they needed guns for protection and there wouldn’t be this level of hysteria whenever any gun control measures are proposed.

 

Deviate

I asked a simple question you evaded answering, yes I’m assuming but that’s all I can do in the absence of a clear reply and given what you say below I think I was near the mark.

Things can change, again would you open fire on the police if they did come to take away certain of your guns?

So let me assume - basically you’d refuse to comply with the law right up to the point that they have to raid your house and then you would shoot at the police?

Which forefathers – traditionally those that break the law are fined or imprisoned and those that shoot at the police normally go to jail (if they survived).

 

So it's those damned 1st amendment rights you're arguing about.

 

Indie

I wish you wouldn’t be cryptic? Can you explain your meaning?

 

Read your post #328, you're an intelligent being.

 

Indie

Another cryptic statement

Here is the post again can you explain your statements?

But the thing I notice is that many pro-gunners do promote guns they are seemingly encouraging others to go out and purchase them.

They promote the benefits of owning a gun - that it can protect you from harm - and they often highlight the drawbacks of not having a gun - that someone without a gun for protection could get badly beaten up, stabbed, raped, murdered etc etc.

Many pro-gunners deny they are trying to sell guns but that is what advertiser do - they try and convince the punter that they are not trying to sell them something they are ‘just stating the facts’ about the ‘reality’ of things.

- I’m not saying you need these disinfectant wipes but did you know that if you don’t have them you children could get sick from all the germs in your house?

- I’m not saying you need a gun but did you know that if you don’t have one you could very likely be murdered, raped, stabbed or seriously beaten up?

 

The NRA is making it possible for criminals to out gun the cops. Cops only carry hand guns with eight round clips. Only SWAT teams have assault weapons. By the time the SWAT team gets to the scene, the crime is already done.

 

Okay Bal, either you're toying with me or I overestimated your intelligence. Which is it?

Perhaps someone else might read your post #328 and explain to you which right is being exercised. Or, maybe you could read the first 10 amendments and perhaps it will dawn on you. My response #331 was not encrypted at all, and used nothing more than plain text English.

 

Indie

Sorry but really what are you on about?

You said “So it's those damned 1st amendment rights you're arguing about”

But in post 328 I don’t mention the 1st amendment or anything to do with it.

I do point out that many pro-gunners seem to promote guns but claim they don’t - are you claiming the 1st amendment is about defending the rights of liars or hypocrites not to be called such, because I have not read it that way?

 

Actually, a lot of cops keep both shotguns and rifles in their cars.

 

Not as cryptic as you claimed, eh?

And yes, the 1st amendment defends your rights too.

 

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