The Bible Led Me to Islam

It is a direct quote from Jehovah's Witnesses and so it would be according to Jehovah's Witnesses.

Well, I look it up. In this case the linage of Jesus can be looked up in the Bible. That's what Matthew and Luke did.

The Bible was written by God but does that mean that if someone wants to know what the Bible says you can't explain it to them without just quoted the entire Bible?

Please try to follow the conversation.

The statement was made that Muhammad could not have had any knowledge of what the Bible says because there was no Bible in Arabic at the time but that does not mean that someone didn't paraphrase it for him so that he had an idea of what it says.

I beg your pardon, where did I claim that "it is all from the bible", I believe you are taking it out of context. I may have said that when talking about what the Bible says "it is all from the bible" but from time to time I do post an article that I've found interesting and you can do with it what you wish.

As for translations of Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic, they mostly come from Strong's Concordance. As for the rest I use Google and I have some reference works that I've collected over the years.

As for "documenting the ancillary works to which you are referring", yes I do mind. I'm trying to discuss the Bible with people, not make a reference work. If I feel it is important for others to know where it comes from and will add to the conversation, I will mention it but why should I be held to a standard that no one else follows.

 

I do not mean to ask you to adhere to a standard that no one else follows. I am personally curious as to what influences your understanding. You have a remarkably complex and mature "theology". What I do mean to make apparent to you is that our assessment of any phenomena, whether it be the bible or the air temperature is always interpretive.

 

Well, thanks for the "remarkably complex and mature "theology"" part.

As for the "make apparent to you is that our assessment of any phenomena, whether it be the bible or the air temperature is always interpretive" part, thanks but no thanks. I've been down that road several times already and whereas I can understand the view point that everything is interpretive, I do not believe that God or the Bible is interpretive, if you will, they are an exception.

 

But you are not.

 

I'm not what?

 

Immune to the effects of your own thinking.

 

now you really got me interested. how was that math done ? please quote verses, thanks

and as for 'subscription', i was asking which version you follow seen as there are too many of them out there

 

Never said I was, I God and the Bible are.

 

Ow brother.

 

wow and lol,
it is not difficult to see how easy it seemingly is, for you, to close your eyes and mind to the apparent inconsistencies. and what's funnier is your attitude to it all is "ok, so ..?" there's nothing to beat this! im not going to respond to all that you've written, but the ones i donot respond to made me chuckle more than others ...

so there are errors, and then there are serious errors, and if it leaves the impressions that the thousands of errors are not serious ..then they are just errors ...., "and can be easily reasoned away" ? here's JW's article from their Awake ...
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interestingly, RSV 1971
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so 50,000 errors are now being defended by talking about 50,000 passages, 50,000 texts. they talked about 50,000 errors ..not passages or text. perhaps there should be a discussion with the people who've made the discovery rather than shooting it down with 'but it can never be'

and now verses versus single letters, too much math!

sure man, keep reasoning away ..

again, you've made something up without reading the detail ..for illustration, View attachment 44618

the whole point of the debate has been are there errors/inconsistencies in the Bible ? is the Bible you holding really the Word of God or overtime has had too many authors, translators to keep it true to God's Word ? beyond any doubt ...that the inspired words of God have been mixed with words of man ?

hence every little error/inconsistency is a big deal

THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE
GENESIS :AUTHOR One of the "five books of Moses.
"EXODUS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
LEVITICUS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
NUMBERS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
DEUTERONOMY AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
JOSHUA AUTHOR. Major part credited to Joshua.
JUDGES AUTHOR. Possibly Samuel,
RUTHAUTHOR. Not definitely known, perhaps Samuel.
FIRST SAMUEL AUTHOR. Unknown.
SECOND SAMUEL AUTHOR. Unknown.
FIRST KINGS AUTHOR. Unknown.
SECOND KINGS AUTHOR. Unknown.
FIRST CHRONICLES AUTHOR. Unknown, probably collected and edited by Ezra.
SECOND CHRONICLES AUTHOR. Likely collected and edited by Ezra.
EZRA AUTHOR. Probably written or edited by Ezra.
ESTHER AUTHOR. Unknown.
JOB AUTHOR. Unknown.
PSALMS AUTHOR. Principally David,though there are other writers.
ECCLESIASTES AUTHOR. Doubtful, butcommonly assigned to Solomon.
ISAIAH AUTHOR. Mainly creditedto Isaiah. Parts may have beenwritten by others.
JONAH AUTHOR. Unknown.
HABAKKUK AUTHOR. Nothing known of the place or time of his birth. ​

The above facts are from Collins' R.S.V. 1971. Pages 12-17.
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was there a recall of the mistranslated Bible ? how many have been circulated ? every mistranslated word, errors that are corrected later, donot do any good when you can't even take every Christian's Bible and compare them for the INSPIRED word-for-word!

so you can talk about the sales figures of the Bible touching 2,500,000 or add more zeroes to it. however fact is they're not all the same and is probably not guiding everyone the same way, the way God wanted you to be guided as it has the word of man included

Bible=Injeel, Gospel is indeed the Word of God, but does not remain in the form in which it was inspired ..unfortunately

so nevermind Curt Kuhl or the likes, Bible does not provide all the evidence that every word in there was inspired by God

 

gathering information, eyewitness account is not inspiration ...plain english! if God wanted to inspire someone ..He'd just inspire them with the text (remember your statements of the Holy Spirit inspiring). what you're trying to suggest is that God inspired the Holy Spirit who inspired the unknown author to get inspired to write the Word of God by gathering some information or finding eyewitnesses. how ridiculous, really

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Incidentally, why does every "Gospel" begin with the introduction According to. Why "according to?" the reason for this is because not a single one of the gospels carries its original author’s autograph!

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you talk like the Bible in circulation today is the original ones that were closed in the 2nd century. there have been enough revisions for such apostasy/blasphemy/innovations slipping into the Bibles that are in circulation, making Jesus the Son of God, making God into Trinity, three that are one, but are three, but are one (?)

careful, you sound like a non-believer now. what is that you've been going on, about freewill all this while ?

so it upsets you that God didn't save the Word that would've bettered your understanding of God. but it was okay for the Word of God=Jesus to be murdered ? and his murder is generally considered good, because he died for your salvation. he did not volunteer to get crucified you know ..

inspired, dreamt, gathered information or eyewitness account ?

should read Mark, not Matthew

so nothing was "according to" the master, but all according to disciples ..or non-disciples,

how do you know it was permitted ? is there a passage, verse somewhere ?

because remember it is not he who is writing his thoughts, he is merely writing what God is inspiring him to write, so he cannot write what he wants to

we've only been talking about the Bible so far, not sure why the Quran has been brought in as defence of the errors/inconsistencies in the Bible ?

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why ofcourse we know what he preached!

that's because he didn't write the Quran ..

when you have wikipedia'd it, why be selective in copy/pasting ? here's what it is preceeded by

"Qur’an was written down by Muhammad's companions while he was alive, although the primary method ...."

 

Glad you find the truth humorous.

I already quoted the article for you and showed you that it didn't say what you thought it said. If you want to keep misunderstanding what it says, don't let me stand in your way.

Yes, this is interesting, not because the KJV has errors but that you think anyone doesn't know it.

See, you still don't understand what is being said. the article in Look magazine said that there were 50,000 errors in the Bible and the Awake article was just pointing out that it is not even possible to have 50,000 errors in a book that only has 31,173 verses and so such an assertion is false on it's face value.

When people keep coming up with these unreasonable things they call inconsistencies that they have not even looked at themselves to see if they are inconsistencies, what recourse is there but to reason them away?

Why do I even bother?

The linage in Matthew is Jesus' adoptive father's linage and the linage in Luke is Jesus' natural mother Mary's linage. Both are descendants of David as the linages you posted show but after David they are different. Jesus was to inherit the throne of David, to do so he would have to be a descendant of David since Joseph was a descendant of the royal and Jesus was his adopted son, Jesus was of the royal line and since Mary was not of the royal line but still a descendant of David that would make Jesus a natural descendant of David and thus both naturally and by adoption Jesus had the right to David's throne. Why couldn't Jesus just be of the royal line? Because the wickedness of the kings of David's royal line God cut off that line and said no one descendant from that line could again sit on the throne of David, So Jesus would have to be an adopted son of the royal to sit on that throne as well as a natural son of David.

As for both linages ending with the name Joseph it was the common custom of the time to use the husband's name when speaking of the wife.

No the word God has not been mixed with the word of man.

Why?

Sorry but the above are not facts.

the truth can be found in any Bible, no matter how badly translated or how many scribal errors. You underestimate the power of God, to say other wise.

You continue to underestimate the power of God.

The Bible does indeed show much evidence that it is inspired of God as I've pointed out but what does the Quran show as evidence?

 

Why are you limiting how or what God can inspire someone to do?

Yeah right.

It is. Jesus is the son of God and the trinity is not a bible teaching.

Upsets me? No, if God thought that mankind needed to know what was in those books they would be in the Bible.

That is why Jesus came to Earth.

inspired.

Thanks for the correction.

The entire Bible is "according to God" That's good enough for me.

All scripture is inspiredof God.....

You seem to have a some what Pharisaical view on what the Bible says and how it should be written.

I didn't know you were afraid to use the Quran, Sorry.

Perhaps you can actually say what you are talking about.

Actually, No.

Did I say write, sorry, spoke the Quran.

because it didn't make any difference.

But then that wasn't the final draft now was it?

 

Is the bible the only book that God wrote?

 

Yep.

 

The Bible (the N/T & O/T with the various Prophets there and then) os one of the books messengers from God (Allah) wrote.

But physical Messengers like St. Mary. I believe that Islam had no problem because of the deep doubt that Jesus was the Son of God.

 

You must have a scriptural basis for that statement, what is it?

 

Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32; Proverbs 30:6; 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:8; 1 John 4:3; Revelation 22:18-19

 

why would u ask that?

 

Because he created all things.