The Bible Led Me to Islam

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by stoney69, Feb 7, 2010.

  1. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    and what day is that?
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Most people who believe the Sabbath should be observed, believe that the Sabbath is Saturday.

    One of the big troubles with those who believe in the Sabbath observance is the belief that that means only worship on Saturday, when in actuality the Sabbath is a whole series of laws that most who believe that Saturday is the Sabbath just don't follow.
     
  3. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    If we extrapolate the words, the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath, in the context of the story where the words are found, we may conceive that the sabbath is the world as God created it in it's wholeness and completeness. Remember always this Holy state of creation, to keep the awareness and reward of holiness and grace in the world, to keep it Holy.
     
  4. AT98BooBoo

    AT98BooBoo Senior Member

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    Saturday is the seventh day of the week. Sunday observance is a carryover from the Catholic church.
     
  5. AT98BooBoo

    AT98BooBoo Senior Member

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    No in actuality the Sabbath is a period of time that God set aside for us to rest from the cares of this world and focus on our relationship with him. The Pharisee's came up with a long set of rules which made the Sabbath a cumbersome burden instead of a delight as God intened it to be.

    Striving for a deeper relationship with God is something we should do everyday but He set aside the Sabbath so we couild have an entire block of time to devote to worshipping Him.

    God instituted the Sabbath in the Garden of Eden and the Bible says that we will keep the Sabbath in Heaven and on the New Earth. The Sabbath is more than just a day of worship. It is a reminder of creation and it points forward to Heaven and the New Earth.

    The Fourth Commandment is the only Commandment that begins with the word Remember.

    The Bible clearly states that Jesus kept the Sabbath so as Christians we should follow his example
     
  6. AT98BooBoo

    AT98BooBoo Senior Member

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    If you read Genesis you will discover that God instituted the Sabbath in the Garden of Eden.

    If I am to take your statement to a logical conclusion than if Christians are no longer under the Law than its should be ok to make and worship idols take God's name in vain, disrespect your parents commit adultery,lie,kill steal and covet.

    James 5:10 says that anyone that breaks part of the Law breaks all of it.

    Ever heard the saying text out context is pretext? Look at the context of Colossians 2:16
    The Jewish Chrisitans were telling the Gentile Christians that they had to observe all the Jewish Holy Days which were also refered to as sabbaths. But since the various Jewish Holy Days pointed forward to the Messiah they were no longer required to observe them.

    The orginal Greek uses two different words to differentiate between the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment and the various Jewish Holy Days.

    How do I know this? My father is a Seventh Day Adventis Pastor with a Master Degree in Theology. Unlike some denominations all SDA pastors are required to have a minimmun of a BA degree. Their core classes include extensive study of Hebrew and Greek.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Do you actually observe the entire Sabbath law? Or only the weekly Sabbath?
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I've read Genesis and no, he didn't.
    And If I am to take your statement to a logical conclusion, that means that you are still under obligation to stone people to death for breaking the Law. Do you do that?
    James 5:10 New International Version says:
    Brothers, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.

    Care to try again?
    Ok, let's take a look at the context. (Colossians 2:13-19) 13 Furthermore, though YOU were dead in YOUR trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of YOUR flesh, [God] made YOU alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake. 15 Stripping the governments and the authorities bare, he exhibited them in open public as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it. 16 Therefore let no man judge YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; 17 for those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ. 18 Let no man deprive YOU of the prize who takes delight in a [mock] humility and a form of worship of the angels, “taking his stand on” the things he has seen, puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind, 19 whereas he is not holding fast to the head, to the one from whom all the body, being supplied and harmoniously joined together by means of its joints and ligaments, goes on growing with the growth that God gives.

    Perhaps you'll notice the "therefore" that "therefore" refers back the statement that God had blotted out the handwritten document against us and that is what Colossians 2:13-19 is talking about.
    Too bad he didn't also tell you that the Sabbath Law was written in Hebrew and not Greek.
     
  9. stoney69

    stoney69 Member

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    in all of this, what i donot get is, Jesus saying if you love me ..keep the commandments. so was it Jesus contradicting himself or someone else who said you were 'above the law' as the commandments were for someone else ?
     
  10. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    No one is above the law. If you satisfy the law, all things are lawful.
     
  11. stoney69

    stoney69 Member

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    thats what the spokesman said
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Perhaps if you actually read the Scripture that you have paraphrased, you would understand he was not talking about the Mosaic Law,
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    What spokesman do you speak of?
     
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