The Bible, the Papacy and the Church

do you have links? I never heard of JW molesting kids.

 

who's Hislop?
I confess my sin to God...
Am I open to Catholicism? have you send me links? and do i reply about them back?

 

http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm

but wait Catholic Priest are messing around with boys where as to the RAbbi or the Protestant are messing around with females of the same church and not with boys. Personally men sodomizing boys is a bit more scary no? I personally hold someone higher that knows of "God" would know better then a person who doesnt know much about God to then be touching boys.

plus comparing the Priest to the Protestant the numbers are higher for the RCC.

"According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse.[iv] According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse"

"In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner.[xv] Two years later, a survey by Leadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior” with a parishioner"

 

Thanks for the vocabulary lesson, It’s not often that a word is used that I haven’t seen at one time or another and I don’t believe I’ve ever seen the word “exegesis” before, so thanks again.

As for Jesus being ugly, there is no description of how Jesus looked when on Earth and so could have been as ugly as a mud fence but I don’t think so. I don’t think he was as “pretty” as some have depicted him but not ugly to the point of disfigurement.

I believe that for a number of reasons; One, Jesus is to be the High Priest to time indefinite but someone disfigured could not serve at the Temple. Thus if was disfigured, by God’s own law, he could not fulfill his assignment.

Next, the Jews would not have even considered his message. The Jews believed that anyone who was disfigured was cursed of God and so it would have made spreading his message very difficult, if not impossible and one would think that difficulty would have been mentioned.

Also, a number of times people tried to find Jesus and were not able to and if Jesus was ugly to the point of disfigurement, you would think he would have been easy to find. You know, Which one is Jesus? He’s the really ugly one over there. Honestly, would Judas have betrayed Jesus with Kiss?

And last, One would think the perfect Son of God no doubt would have had a pleasing appearance and countenance

So then what was Isaiah talking about when he said disfigurement?

I would say Isaiah’s words refer to the humiliation that Jesus experienced. He boldly exposed the religious leaders of his day as hypocrites, liars, and murderers; and they responded by reviling him. (1 Peter 2:22, 23) Though he was perfect in physical form, the message of truth and righteousness that Jesus Christ boldly proclaimed made him repulsive in the eyes of hypocritical opposers, thus they accused him of being a lawbreaker, a deceiver, an agent of Beelzebub, a man possessed of a demon, a blasphemous fraud, a seditionist against Rome. Thus, these false accusers painted an utterly disfigured picture of Jesus. In a similar way the message proclaimed by Jesus’ disciples later caused them to be “a sweet odor” of life to receptive persons, but an odor of death to those rejecting their message.—2Co 2:14-16.

 

If you want to get right with God, the best place you can be is NOT IN A CHURCH.

Especially a Catholic church. They don't even use bibles in church. They use "missals." A little book which supports thier controlling beliefs.

In the Roman days. They (The Catholic church) were having trouble getting rich folks to come to church (re: donate). The reason was because of the line in the bible which says "Confess your sins before man." Which, of course, means SHOUT THAT STUFF OUT LOUD FOR THE WORLD TO HEAR. Well, the rich folks would have nothing of that.

So the Catholic church decided that what it really meant was to confess your sins before A MAN. Thus the confessional booth. And the "solemn" rule of secrecy.

Now the rich man can belong to the church (re: donate money). Pretty tidy huh?

Organized religion as we know it today will direct you away from god.

As Jesus said. "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Mathew 6.5, 6.6


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I said he was ugly not elephant man. lol

 

OMG I think can agree with you homes! did you get my message? also apply towards getting money off the rich or people in general was through purgatory but then JC said that even the rich man goes to hell.

 

I think we can assume we disagree on what necessarily follows from scripture. And yes we are saved by faith but you may be forgetting that James said; faith without works is dead.

Perhaps but do you know how it was handled? Was it covered up and the perpetrators just moved to another place? Do you know if the perpetrators were even allowed to remain associated with the Watchtower People after committing such acts? Do you know if that person, if allowed to remain associated, has been marked so others are aware of him and will not allow others to fall victim? Will that person ever be allowed to hold a position of authority in the Christian Congregation?

People are sinners and so every religion has it's bad apples but the difference is in how the religion itself deals with the problem. Does the religion foster a safe haven for such ones so, they can continue to use their "church" as a hunting ground for abuse? How did the Catholic Church deal with the problem it had with sexual abuse? I seem to recall a cover up and a moving to another location and the perpetrators just starting over in a new place.

 

Well the scripture in Isaiah did say disfigurement and if physical that would pretty much describe the elephant man. Wait a minute, are you saying the elephant man was Jesus?

 

Thanks for the reply OWB.

For those who do not know:

Exegesis: critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, esp. of the Bible.

as opposed to

eisegesis: an interpretation, esp. of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_child_sex_abuse

 

The Bible commands us to confess our sins to one another.

Hislop is a man who wrote a book called The Two Babylons where he identifies the RCC with Babylonian mystery religion (falsely) through pure fabrications. Most modern websites that rag on the RCC often use arguments from or inspired by Hislop.

this is true, but you always seem to reply back with cookie cutter anti-Catholic propaganda.

For example, how do you respond to the Scripture that says to confess your sins to other Christians? I am asking you flat out, do you follow this commandment, or do you ignore it? I confess my sins to God too, but also to the presence of a priest for the Sacrament of Penance.

 

This is an amazing post.

Do you know what is in a missal? A missal contains all of the readings (from Scripture) that is used in the liturgy. It is on a rotating 3 year cycle that uses Mark Matthew and Luke mainly, and then John often during the Easter season. Other readings do not change during the 3 years, often for special feast days. A missal also contains all of the prayers that must be said for Mass as well.

During Mass we have 3 readings (one usually from the OT, occasionally Acts; one from a Letter; and one Gospel) as well as one Psalm. In the Latin form of the Mass, there is a "second gospel" that is always the same reading from John.

Lets go see you shout your sins out in a church, and have everyone gossip about you. The secrecy of the confessional is quite strict (watch Alfred Hitchcock's I Confess--good movie). breaking the vow of secrecy is instant excommunication (which is not the same as damnation).

 

can you bring out the verse? please.

I know I have read that we confess to God but to each other i would like to study it.

 

Yeh I looked it up first .

 

Yeah, I know it was handled better by the Witness people. I think the clergy sex abuse is the biggest stumbling block to people considering the Roman Catholic Church.

I still stand by the hierarchy. We are moving past this. Slowly, but surely.

 

James 5:14-16
14 Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.

Verse 16 has the basis for the Sacrament of Penance.

Verse 14 also contains biblical basis for the Sacrament for the Anointing of the Sick, also known as the Last Rites.

 

^^ cool but confession box isn't still correct then. That's confession in privacy.

 

Okay, next time you sin, go to a Church and announce to everyone exactly what you did--and do this every time you sin, for every sin.

The priest is in the place of the entire community. Also, it doesn't specify in scripture how many people, or in what situation we should confess. The early Church did practice public confession, but it became impractical.

 

Thanks, I won't say you never taught me any thing.