The Big Bang is Bunk.

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  1. dd3stp233

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    The is universe is infinite. If you try to contract an infinite amount of matter, it will take an infinite amount of time. Likewise with expansion. So a complete universal singularity could never have happened. There may have been a local event, such as a hypermegablacknova (an extremely large black hole explosion), in this region of the universe. It is wrong to assume that this event was the entire universe. A black hole is an example of a singularity. It is as described by the big bang theory, just small and not the whole universe. There is no known example of a black hole exploding or the remains of one that has. I didn't really mean that it is a conspiracy, only that many scientists may be subconsciously set in their ways of thinking (maybe raised in a religious tradition). Dark matter and dark energy are thought to comprise about 96% of the known universe and they don't know what it is. Science at this point in time is incredibly primative, there is so much that is not known. Many theories aren't much better then guestimating. I think that science should come up with something better. I thought this was a hip forum. Think outside the box. Question Authority. Its seems that many blindly believe in what people tell you, including in scientific areas. What happened to radical new ideas??
     
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  4. dd3stp233

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    Science isn't a game of believing what people tell you or trying to win over more people with one theory compared with another.

    Sorry, but that is not true. Scientists are competing all the time trying to win support for their theories to gain financing to support their research. They debate and argue all the time. Ideally science isn't about that but in the real world it happens everyday.
     
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    What research is done is based on what research gets funding. Unpopular ideas don't get funding. I don't know any scientists that work for free. You can't test research that never gets done. So some new ideas may never be known.
     
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    In relation to the big bang theory, the overall model (a singularity exploding), relying on the scientific method requires repeatablity of the experiments or repeated observational data, inferences about red shifts, 5k background radiation aside, etc, there is no way to actually test this because the big bang is a unique freak event. No good science is based on a unique untestable event. So without any real direct empirical data, all the inferred data can be explained by other means, so anyone else just intuitively think the big bang theory is wrong?



    Also some interesting sites are:
    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/quentin_smith/cosmology.html
    http://www.johmann.net/essays/big-bang-bunk.html
    http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/BIGBANG/Bigbang.html
     
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    Its been repeatedly shown that the universe is currently behaving rather like an explosion (in that its rapidly getting bigger), now its not certain but then again I would say not unreasonable to infer that at some point it 'exploded'.

    Like you im not entirely comfortable with the 'Big Bang' theory and yes i do agree that something feels wrong about it. Im sure that years of lectures telling me that its fact have had some impact on me but at the same time I have been shown enough evidence to agree that the universe is expanding rapidly and in the absence of any known force capable of arresting this motion. With current knowledge the only logical to conclude that at some point it did explode.

    Anyway if memory serves me Superstring theory uses the big bang to explain a split in dimensions and why we ended up with 4 fundamental forces and 10 dimensions. Although as superstring theory is incapable of reproducing anything else we see in the universe maybe thats evidence against the Big Bang.
     
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    earlier people mentioned that the universe cannot be finite, therefore an eplosion makes no sense. When scientists are talking of a finite universe they mean finite matter, not finite space. Obviously the space is not finite, but its possible the matter is. I do not necesarily believe this however.

    I believe the answer lies in deep science beyond what we're even close to, therefore cannot arrive at a conclusion. Something as monumental as the beginning of the universe (essentialy beginning of time as well) seems too beyond our level of thinking. I think 4th dimentions, space and time warps, and all kinds of crazy stuff may have a prominent role. But that doesn't mean we can't work towards an answer; after all its the journey that counts.
     
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    A question I have, which just might be related, is what happens to black holes? They're so massive they collapse on themselves, then what? Where does that matter go? Do they become the same form of stuff that began it all?
     
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    Black holes are similar to the universe at the time of the big bang, in the state of the matter inside them. However there are also some important differences, a black hole will evapourate but not explode. While we may use the black hole as a way of looking at the state of matter a tiny fraction of a second after the big bang, we can not look at it for a mechanism as to why it happened or what it was.
     
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    Exactly.
     
  18. inbloom

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    I once read a book entitled "God's Debris." While a fiction novel, it posed the theory that "God" (in whichever sense you take that, if any) destroyed himself, blew himself up, in order to create the Universe, and that this was what is known as the Big Bang. Interesting idea, but not necessarily truth.

    I don't know what to believe about it. A large part of me buys it, but I don't really know why. But, you know something? I really don't give a damn, anymore. Fuck trying to figure out HOW the Universe was created, and just realise that the Universe DOES exist. Some of the most beautiful things in life are a mystery.
     
  19. Flight From Ashiya

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    There is this new theory of the Universe now which is sympathetic to the existence of God.

    In very basic terms it says:"The Universe is too clever & too beautifully designed to be a spontaneous accident".

    The Big Bang is all about unfathomable laws.Chaos as the law of science.

    Wasn't it Einstein's theory of relativity which justified the Big Bang theory?.

    I don't know.The Sun lights the Earth - The Moon turns the waves.It seems deliberate,not accidental-as if someone designed it deliberately.
     
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