The Black Panthers

People thinking differently happens within races too. Personally I haven't found anyone else, of any race, who thinks like I do.

thinking people? I've had some conversations with a couple of the skinheads here, and they hate other races because their skin is a different color. And because they believe that more jobs are being given to minorities then themselves, when they haven't even tried to get a fucking job.

a bunch of bull? So are you saying that the genocide of the natives and the marches that they were forced to make across country never happened? Pure ignorance at its finest.

have you ever been pulled over for driving a nice car? I have experienced this myself riding with black friends, because the pigs are "stopping every tenth car". If i get banned oh well, but fuck you. Fuck you and your skinhead ass. Grow the fuck up, and see that skin color differences don't make a person any better or any worse than someone of another race.

 

Yes, Beachbum7, I do. Is there a reason you don't? Do you know of a better means of measuring intelligence? If so, please inform the government as they have not been able to produce anything better. Nor have the blacks, asians - who btw, have the highest IQs - hispanics or anyone else. Biased, you say - or will say. How?

Skip: If they were "seeking more independence from" Whitey, Then explain why they demand that the White government give them jobs, (see #2 which violates #1); #4 is a demand for Whitey to give them housing; #5 they want Whitey to give thier children a black education; and they already have, and had #10. It is known as welfare. Seems to me by your post that they want more "Whitey give me" than independence from Whitey.

soulrebel51:

True, but I am referencing diversity in thought.

Some thought provoked them into becoming skins. Have you ever ask them what that thought might have been?

My point was, and still is, that this country was conquered and not stolden. And it was used to squash posts like yours in favor of replies to the questions I asked.

I have been pulled over for driving a raggedy car; for having long hair; for wearing a patch on my back; for being in suspicious neighborhoods; for suspicious actions; for riding a motorcycle; for an illegal lane change which I didn't make....on and on. Does any of this qualify? You are getting at "racial profiling". Guess what? I never once got upset about being profiled because of my looks. Why? Because I know cops use that as a means of determining who is likely to be involved in a crimanal act. Black crime is rampant. Car theft, likewise. I have spoken to blacks who are in favor of it. Some of them get pulled over, but rarely. Less often than I do. If your riding around in a new car and you are young, black or White, with ghetto boom, boom, boom, blasting out your speakers, bouncing up and down and acting fools, you will, deservedly be stopped. And, have you ever considered, sometimes the cops are stopping "every tenth car"? The only problem I ever had when being profiled was when they ripped the tags off my bike thinking that they belonged on a bike I had sold and transferred the tags to the bike I was on. Otherwise they checked me and my vehicle out and let me go. Ofcourse I never gave them attitude. Curiously, what was the outcome of your stop?

You called me a skinhead, but I am not. Nor was I offended. But, even though I am an admitted racist, I am not now, nor ever been a member of any group or party. As I have said before, do not judge them groups by my deeds or words. I edited out your statement in an attempt to not get my post deleted as I am sure they will yours here.
When or where did I post that anyone was better or worse than anyone else because of color? I see that we are different, and I believe that we should be seperate, otherwise....

 

Saying you believe one ethnic group is more intelligent than other is to me a dangerous stereotype. In regards of intelligence, I believe in viewing each person as an individual. And each people have different areas of intelligence - some people are very knowledgeable about some things. In college admissions, nobody gives a shit about one's "IQ."

About racial profiling, unfortunately, there are black men are pulled over by cops only because they're black. It has never happened to me, but it has to happened to many other people.

If you think cops just randomly stop "every tenth car," I don't know how I'd explain your thought process.

 

Warrior:



I'm studying pedagogy and took several courses of psychology (university level all).. so trust me when I say that IQ test are not very trustworthy and the only reason they are still used is because there isn't anything that's better. However, even if and IQ test is reliable (eg. when made by a middle class white kid) then it's still viewed in the context of other aspects of the kids personality (like his work attitude, attentionspan etc.).

There are tons of reasons why an IQ test isn't very reliable, especially when used on other cultural/ethnical groups or on people with a low social economic status.. I could look up evidence, but I'm lazy and I'm sure you know how to use google as well.

You're attitude towards rases is imho very dangerous.

 

I mentioned "average" and not inclusive. And yes, the truth can be dangerous, - it is dangerous - to lies.

By your statement I assume you are black. How do you defend your statement, considering that you personally do not get profiled? I don't deny profiling, it does happen, but not just because of race as I showed in my own personal experiences. Although I do not like cops, on the average, I do recognise the need for profiling, even in my case. Cops aren't stupid. In any job you develop a sort of 6th sense in which you know things just by the sight of them. I think cops, on average, are in tune with that sense. This is not to say that there are not cops who abuse thier powers, but I believe in todays more liberal society, that it is infrequent. No doubt in the hay day of the BPP it was a real problem.

I lived in Las Cruces, N.M. (actually on the Organ mountain east of L.C. on Hwy 70). Approximately 2 - 3 times per month the Sherriffs Dept. would park next to the hwy and one cop would stop a car, 3 cars would go by, a second cop would stop a car, 3 cars go by, the third cop.... and on and on. I know this because I would listen to my police scanner so I could time myself in order to avoid being stopped.

From Velvet:

Lets see if this will help you any:

Excerpted from: The Evolution of One Person’s Views
on Racial Differences in Intelligence
Lawrence Auster
February 1995


IQ and Intelligence

1. In the mid 1980s, New York magazine had a cover story on the growing tensions between blacks and Jews. The article gave figures on black SAT scores that were absolutely stunning, for example, that in the entire U.S. only about 100 blacks in any given year scored over 700 in the verbal SATs. What this meant to me was that the number of blacks at the top level of academic abilities was virtually non-existent. So it was no longer a surprise that there were so few blacks in the intellectual professions.

However, at this time I did not draw any deeper conclusions from this with regard to black intelligence. The data did not suggest to me that differences in SAT scores related to something I would call "intelligence" or that such differences were permanent, but only that, as blacks were at this point, it was unrealistic to expect proportional equality in all professions, and in particular there was this shocking absence of blacks at the higher levels of verbal and logical ability.

2. In 1990, I met Michael Levin when he hosted a National Association of Scholars meeting at his apartment in Manhattan, around the time that he was first being attacked for his statements on black intelligence. I acquired a copy of Professor Levin’s controversial article in the Australian quarterly Proceedings which contained the sentence, "The average black is significantly less intelligent than the average white." After reading it and also hearing him interviewed on a radio program, I wrote a letter to Levin in which, perhaps contradictorily, I expressed both admiration for his courage and concern that he was being too blunt; specifically, I suggested that instead of saying "blacks on average are less intelligent" he might say "blacks on average are less capable in the intellectual skills measured in I.Q. tests"—wording, I argued, that would be more precise and less demeaning to blacks.

At the same time, however, I conceded to Levin that blunt language might be the only way to get at these forbidden ideas. Experience in later years proved this to be correct. I came to feel that Levin, by stating the forbidden truth in plain English rather than in technical terms or euphemisms, had been a pioneer. The reason for this is that without that horrifying word "intelligence," as in "blacks are on average less intelligent than whites," the difficult truth of this matter does not get through to our minds. We can always evade the truth by imagining that the thing at issue is something secondary, like "the ability to take tests."

3. Then there was the question of whether IQ tests measure something real. While this is amply demonstrated in the literature and I don’t want to go into it much here, a key finding that proved to my satisfaction the validity of IQ is its predictability—a point well established by Murray and Herrnstein in The Bell Curve. You can make all kinds of metaphysical arguments that IQ is just the "ability to take IQ tests," or that it "does not measure creativity," and so on. But as Murray and Herrnstein demonstrate in exhaustive detail based on the data from National Longitudinal Study of Youth, if you give a large sampling of fourteen year olds an IQ test, while controlling for socioeconomic background, ten or twenty years later their life achievement will correlate very strongly with the results of those tests. This, I think, is the definitive argument for the validity of IQ. [Note: A couple of years after this was written, Murray demonstrated that siblings with different IQs—who of course share exactly the same socioeconomic status and home environment—differ markedly in their later success and income. This was absolute proof of the reality and importance of IQ.]

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4. In 1991, when the New York Post condemned Levin as a racist, I wrote a letter to the Post defending Levin’s ideas. It was the first time I had addressed the issue in print.

In that letter, I saw the significance of the IQ difference in that it meant blacks could not be expected to have equal intellectual achievement with whites, and that lower black representation in the professions was not due to racism. However, I still thought that the lower black achievement might be due to "cultural" factors and therefore could potentially be raised up to equal that of whites. The main point for me was that, as blacks are now, they could not be expected to achieve equally with whites, and that affirmative action was therefore based on wrong premises. I was not particularly interested in the great debate over "environment versus genetics," since the topic seemed metaphysical to me. I was, and am, also offended by the constant references to "genes" as causal in human life, which I think is a materialistic, reductionist concept. I felt we should stay with the things we know, such as the concrete fact that black do perform differently, without worrying ourselves to death over the hidden ultimate causes that we cannot know.

5. However, the problem with the above view is that it leaves open a huge escape hatch for the supporters of affirmative action. They can concede that blacks are less intelligent now, but still insist that if we push blacks artificially into higher socioeconomic levels through massive affirmative action, then black intelligence will be equalized with that of whites. Or, if it’s too late for this generation of blacks to improve, then their children will grow up with a better environment (created through affirmative action) and will be more intelligent. Liberals are constantly looking for ways to keep the egalitarian social engineering project alive; and as long as that project is alive, any failure by society to achieve complete racial equality of outcomes will continue to be falsely blamed on "white racism," with all the divisive, demoralizing, and destructive effects that charge has on society. For these reasons, it’s not enough to know about the existence of racial differences in intelligence without also grasping the fact that these differences are not amenable to elimination by any known means. Of course, black intellectual performance could be improved, perhaps significantly in some cases, if society brought back real standards and discipline and if black illegitimacy were reduced. But that’s not the same as eliminating the racial gap, which is the aim and demand of our ruling ideology.

6. Richard Lynn’s and Michael Levin’s articles on the Scarr-Weinberg cross-racial adoption study in the March 1994 American Renaissance settled these questions for me. The adoption study, which followed until adulthood black children adopted as babies by college educated whites, showed that even with a totally "white" upper middle-class environment and upbringing, the large black-white IQ gap remained; at best it was slightly narrowed. As Levin pointed out, this was a definitive demonstration of a hereditary racial difference in IQ.

7. Then there was the assertion of cultural bias in mental tests, meaning that blacks did worse on IQ tests because the tests emphasized "white" cultural knowledge. Jared Taylor’s interview with Arthur Jensen, published in the August and September 1992 American Renaissance (and even more, the unabridged, 36-page typescript of this interview) blew that notion out of the water. Jensen made the point that in test questions that involved no cultural background at all, such as the ability to see similarities in geometric shapes, blacks actually did worse than in questions that used "white" cultural references.


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Let me rephrase my statement. I have never ever been pulled over while driving a car (I have a driver's license, but I've never had my own car), but that doesn't necessarily mean I haven't been profiled. I'm sure there are times people in stores have paid extra attention to me, thinking I was quite possibly a thief.

I've heard stories about people who've been pulled over by cops only because they were the wrong race, and they've been quite angered. Maybe if you could see some things from someone else's perspective, you thought think differently. I think many black people are aware that could be pulled over only because they're driving a nice car.

 

Warrior: You're going to live your life just out of what you read in one book? Who are Michael Levin and Lawrence Auster to even make claims like this? They are not black, therefore they can not understand a black person's thought processes. And what the hell does it even matter if whites supposedly are smarter than blacks? People are people.
This disgusts me that people make claims like "We should be seperated because of our skin color" in the year 2004.

 

Ya know what? Racism is shit. Pure shit. There is always going to be a lower IQ-average race. I know that there are some black people way fuckin' smarter than myself. Who fucking cares!?!?! That's what makes the US so damn great, man. It would be sooooo much more boring if we were all white...or some other color.

 

so Warrior.. if you so firmly believe in IQ tests and you agree that asian's have the highest score.. why don't we try to make this an 'all asian' world then? Or is there something wrong with them as well? I'm sure you can come up with a dozen of things why whites are supposed to be superior to all races, so I'm kinda curious what your problems are with asians..

*hands over the microphone to warrior*

 

And you prove my point. Even though I show that I, a White man, have been profiled, your only concern is for you - who has admitedly never been profiled - and your people. This is the "me only" mentality I mentioned in an earlier post concerning blacks.

From soulrebel51: "Warrior: You're going to live your life just out of what you read in one book? Who are Michael Levin and Lawrence Auster to even make claims like this? They are not black, therefore they can not understand a black person's thought processes. And what the hell does it even matter if whites supposedly are smarter than blacks? People are people.
This disgusts me that people make claims like "We should be seperated because of our skin color" in the year 2004.

Here you admit the difference in White and black thought processes that I mentioned earlier. So why do you argue against me when in reality you agree with me?

From lavalamped: "Ya know what? Racism is shit. Pure shit. There is always going to be a lower IQ-average race. I know that there are some black people way fuckin' smarter than myself. Who fucking cares!?!?! That's what makes the US so damn great, man. It would be sooooo much more boring if we were all white...or some other color.

Just get over it & fuck a black dude.
That's my solution....think about it. "




No thanks on the sex with a "black dude", I am neither gay or into what I consider beastiality.


From velvet: "so Warrior.. if you so firmly believe in IQ tests and you agree that asian's have the highest score.. why don't we try to make this an 'all asian' world then? Or is there something wrong with them as well? I'm sure you can come up with a dozen of things why whites are supposed to be superior to all races, so I'm kinda curious what your problems are with asians..

*hands over the microphone to warrior*"


I have never advocated an all White world. I advocate the right to live peacefully in an all White community, with White schools, Churches, bussiness', etc. I advocate not being forced to live among a race different from my own. I advocate my White heritage and culture and the preservation of same. I advocate the right of all people to do the same, if they so choose. I advocate your right to mix with other races and thereby create your own problems. And you advocate that I should surrender my descendants to a world of the problems that you are so set on creating. Thank you, but no thank you.

 

"No thanks on the sex with a "black dude", I am neither gay or into what I consider beastiality."

beastility?? what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

 

Warrior, people like you really make me sad... and pissed...

 

Does this help^^^^?



soulrebel51:

About what it says.

Back to the BPP whom you admire so much. Do you know that they advocated rape? What humanistic people would advocate such a deed? Sounds pretty beastial to me.

 

oh wow, youre sooooo cool Warrior, mspainting pictures to make it look like they are saying something.


I think what you are implying is that sex with blacks is beastiality. When a white man rapes a white woman, is that beastiality? motherfucker.....

 

I do not support racism against black, white, yellow, red, blue, green, or any people. If you think a person's skin color defines them then I beg of you to think of what you are saying and reconsider.

If you really want to live in an all-white world come to the Western P.A. suburbs. You'll love it here. Many people agree with your opionions, even in the year 2004. Which, I agree, is very disturbing to think of.

 

It wasn't plain? [edit] No, if a White man raped a White woman, it would not be beastiality, it would be rape. And he should be executed for it.

 

Believe me, I have thought long and hard on what I am saying. I have lived among blacks and mexicans. Its like liveing in a jungle. Filth, noise, and a thousand other not so nice things. Perhaps you should move to welfare lane and see how these 'people' really are. I'll even set you up. I have a rental house in Kansas City, Mo. I'll sell it to you for $15,000 (negotiable). In any White neighborhood its worth $75,000 - $85,000. Want pics? It's a nice house. 3 bdrm, 2 bath, attached garage.

There is a reason so many agree with my opinion - they have woke up.