The Chicken Came Before The Egg!

Men/Women.

 

I detect a default position in your regard of this question. The reason I say it depends on whether the tree is alive or not, is to point out that there are other aware entities in the world. The question itself comes from solipsistic view.

 

How soÉ Did I come off as biasedÉ


Whatès your view on the questionÉ

 

It seemed a dogmatic point.

My view is as I have stated, is that the question arises from solipsistic regard of nature, as if man is the only one who can hear.

 

Sorry about that then. Was just offering an idea. Didn`t mean to preach.

So because man is not around to hear it, it makes no soundÉ --This is my question mark for the time being.

 

Why do we perceive that we are the result of past experiences when the past is an artifact of the present? That is the past does not become the past until it arises in this moment.

 

Is this a new universal questionÉ


Some people may believe that we are only here in this moment because the past led us here. Just as what we do in this moment will decide where we are in the `future`.

 

Not at all friend. So are you telling me that your response is simply free association?

You have a question about sound or your question mark is peculiar?

 

It is a "timeless" question. Which comes first, the past or the present?

 

Yes.

I don`t really believe in anything. Science can only prove itself, religion can only prove the religious, and thought can only ever question. Answers are presumptuous. The idea behind what I expressed in that response is this. This is not a belief, just a thought; I cannot perceive what is not within the immediate vicinity of my senses, mind included. If a tree is falling somewhere that I am not aware of, does it make a soundÉ Does the tree itself really exist if I can`t see it, hear it, feel it, or know itÉ God may be energy. I am energy, as is the rest of the natural world. Energy cannot be separated, it is constant, though seemingly `separated`only by varying degrees of vibration. Therefore god, the tree and I are one and the same. As far to say the tree and god are both extensions of myself, I must (at any rate no matter how unaware my senses are of it) perceive the falling tree. I may not hear it, but I perceive it. That is, if it even exists. I`m still debating the nature of `object permanence` that develops during infancy. Perhaps object permanence is developed only for our survival, so that we`ll remember how to eat, sleep, walk, drive, work, etc. Are things really`there` when and where you are notÉ This is a great question.

I was asking you that question. Then I let you know that for the time being É is my question mark as my keyboard is acting funny, though only when I type something at Hip Forums.

Neither. The `past` and the `present` are both terms coined in the now. Now is all there ever is.

 

In that case every idea we have about responsibility to the past is in error as the past does not exist.

 

Why are we responsible to the pastÉ To what do we owe the pastÉ We`re here now, past events are not. The past only exists now. It exists as a memory. As an actual, real event, but in a different form than the now is taking place. Much in the way we dream while sleeping. Our dreams are real events, in the mean time (now) we`re actually asleep in our beds. Maybe we only wake up because after awhile we remember that we are asleep and dreaming. Perhaps life is a long sleep, and at the end we wake up. But how can we be sure that the past really did happenÉ Memories, scars, broken and mended relationships. It`s all so real. But `life is but a dream`. Maybe we`re just dreaming.

Maybe reality is a dream and we`ve not yet woken up because we have not accepted this as a fact.

 

What's up with that?

 

My apostrophe key and my question mark key are both not being themselves. ``is my current apostrophe and É is my question mark. I have absolutely no idea why it`s doing this and it only does it when I type something here at HF`s. Everywhere else it is normal.

 

Fair enough...

 

Please keep in mind that all of my posts in all threads are free association. I don`t ascribe my thoughts to any specific things, ideas, or beliefs. I have the tendency to come off as preachy sometimes or have remarks with pointed intent, but these are not my intentions. I don`t necessarily believe in my thoughts or what I am saying, nor do I want others to believe in them or even see my point of view. I just throw them out there because I think them, and then I decide if they have any meaning. I just like to think and converse of things that have some truth, or potential of truth to them. When I ponder something a flood of reponses and thoughts usually come out at once and I respond in that way. Only to try and give myself more insight on the subject. I think out loud is what I`m saying.

 

Because you promised to hold your finger in the dike until help came?

 

lol...I think I remember that.

 

I don't follow.

 

The question why would we be responsible to the past? The answer perhaps,
because I signed a marriage certificate?