The Church of Deep Ecology

There is something that honestly makes me feel exceptionally weary of Deep Ecologists. I don't feel like we should go back to living on an agrarian society and network centered and orbiting around an agricultural industry - which is what Deep Ecologists advocate. There are principles and policies that Deep Ecologists have been advocating for, for years here and even the Green Party's platform here in Canada has openly adapted some of their ideas and principles into their own platform and campaign.

I think it's a waste to disregard the usefulness of today's modern technology and I think the kind of societal pulls and strings in the Deep Ecologists mentality function as sort of a container aimed at keeping people mind's closed to higher order thoughts and the greater channels of diversity.

It's like how Menonites have their own societal bits and have to continue churning the wheels to make everything work for their religious purposes. They eat at McDonald's and wear fancy clips in their hair, nylons on their legs, dress shoes on their feet, with buttons on their shirts made from Tawain, today. They are a modernized version of Deep Ecologists baked with a religious spin that holds their place in an even greater web of lies.

 

Wow.

Just wow. I don't see the point in arguing that DDT is safer than we think or know. It's been documented to have caused cancer and seriously adverse cognitive and biological effects on humans and other animals with known carcinogens. People who work with DDT have triple the increase of getting cancer. Safer than what? Safer than radium? Sheesh.

I wonder if you'd inhale DDT just to prove how safe it is compared to a general lawncare herbicide, Matty?

Nah, didn't think so. You're trying to argue that a grenade has less damage than the pin that was pulled from it. Where you get off on defending the government use of DDT is your own misguided circumstance.

 

I dont need a church our a foundation for a moral i already beleive in. If i see someone harm an animal ill harm them.

I already have a plan to go areas where they skin wolves and lions alive and leave them to die, and bring justice.

 

I read some stuff about this a few years ago, it is apparently one of the founding tenets of the feminist movement, and has some interesting theories that complement the holistic sciences. It's not a bullshit cult as some people seem to be suggesting in this thread. I fully support its ideals 100%, and I wish the whole planet would adopt this mindset.

 

I don't think that deep ecology is in any way an absolute set of rules to follow, it is open to suggestion and compromise. It has to be. So far as its principles of networking relate to industry, I think it is very forward thinking and realistic. I mean what is the point in carrying on the way we are if it is ruining the environment?

Following these principles does not mean we are turning our backs on modern technology either, one of the idea proposed with regards to that is to turn modern electronic consumerism into a rental system whereby applianes are returned to the manufacturer at the end of their lifetime, and recycled into new parts. Most importantly, the toxic materials produced in the manufatcure are kept isolated from the environment and therefore pose no harm.

Please tell me, exactly what is wrong with all of that?

 

yet another religion

that i try to practice

but would rather not join

 

DDT is, BY FAR, the safest synthetic insecticide ever used, and that is a FACT. It saved millions upong millions of lives before it was banned. Show me some proof showing otherwise, and not the lies put out by the environ-mental eugenicist nazis.

The article I posted did a pretty good job (I think) debunking the myths about DDT.

Show me the evidence that shows that people who worked with DDT (versus other insecticides) had triple the increase in cancer.

 

Didn't the US use that stuff to try to eradicate malaria, and completely fucked up resulting in a far more serious epidemic of the disease, what we have now?

 

Yep, DDT basically caused forced evolution, where the mosquitoes either resistant to it, or those that nested in the areas which weren't sprayed (in trees rather than in houses). Survived, and those that didn't died. It wouldn't have saved millions of lives, because the mosquitoes would have simply ended up being resistant to it. It also caused build up of heavy metals that can be now found as widespread as the north and south pole. It is/was not safe.

You can't just (as it seems you often do Pressed Rat) assume that because someone goes against the official line, they are automatically right. You say that it's the Al Gores of this world putting out the idea of environmentalism, and I'm sorry to say it, but that's simple ignorance. The environmental movement has been round a lot longer than that, and is not solely put forward by hypocrites like Gore (he even drives his SUV in his film), there are people that truly care about the environment out there, and there is plenty of evidence (a lot more than there is against) to prove their points.

 

Yeah, the environmental movement has been around for a long time. However, we have seen a major push forward towards so-called sustainability and "greening" over the past 3-5 years, and Gore has been a major player in promoting fear over so-called "manmade" global warming. I never said it began with Gore. He's merely the frontman for his buddies at the UN, who is being put out there to push all of this.

DDT actually did a lot to eradicate malaria during its use, before it was banned in '72. However, the psychopaths at the top saw that it was saving millions of lives from malaria, so they would just have to come up with a reason to ban it's use. It didn't matter how true it was, because the public can be made to believe anything if it's coming from their self-appointed "experts." That's why, up until 1970, all reliable scientific information had shown that DDT was safe for humans and animals.

The fact is, DDT was not banned because of the toxicity or whatever. It was banned because it's use was found to be contradictory to the elite's population control agenda.

THAT is the point I am trying to make.

 

Are you serious? Why on earth would the "elite" population controllers allow DDT to be used to eradicate malaria, and then ban it because it appeared to be working? That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard today.

 

Because it was working better than they initially thought it would. Go back to the quote I provided from Alexander King, of the Club of Rome. That's why they now use more toxic and far less efficient insecticides. But there is no outcry over the use of these chemicals, therefore it must be alright.

 

http://www.radioliberty.com/pca.htm

In his excellent monograph, "Remembering Silent Spring and its Consequences," Professor J. Gordon Edwards quoted from a speech delivered by Victor Yanconne, founder of the Environmental Defense Fund. In that talk, Mr. Yanconne related a story told to him by a reporter who had asked Dr. Charles Wurster, one of the major opponents of DDT, whether a ban on DDT wouldn't actually result in far greater use of much more toxic pesticides. Dr. Wurster is reported to have replied:

 

Well, I could easily reword that and say:

Where you get off on defending the government banning the use of DDT -- a compound which has saved countless millions of lives according to the National Academy of Sciences -- in favor of more toxic and less effective insecticides, is your own misguided circumstance.

But I can understand most people only want to hear things they're familiar with.

 

La Rouche makes the same arguments. Arrives at the diametrical opposite of Rat's conclusions.

 

I'm with McLeod on this one...this makes no sense. The elite banning DDT? I mean, seems to me they wouldn't want to ban it because it was making these same elitists a lot of fucking money.

 

i can't wait for humans to be gone from this world...

 

I'm certainly a misanthropist...I prefer animals over humans...in almost every circumstance...except for the whole sex part.

 

Most environmentalists I've met feel this way.

 

i hope teh sea turtle becomes a predator and starts attacking the humans

thats how it happens in my dreams