The Church of Deep Ecology

And what are his conclusions? I don't pay any attention to LaRouche and the LaRouchites. They are like a cult. I mean, they ARE a cult.

 

Yes, one thing in common between environ-mental religious zealots (many of them), is their hate and utter disdain for humanity. That's why the people behind this movement at the highest levels are some of the biggest pro-nazi eugenicist murderers the world has ever seen. This is where the whole thing with Gaia worship ties in as well. It is literally the new religion for the new age, because it is perfectly geared towards the twisted belief that mankind is parasitic and that forced sterilization and even euthanization is required to save "mother earth." Human life is seen as inferior to that of "Gaia."

It plays right into the hands of the Elite, who have openly called for an 80% reduction of the world's population.

Yes, these are some very sick and dangerous people. No doubt.

 

They are. But they also have a few good ideas and research to spare.

A lot of what you say reminds me of what he says.

The stuff about communists being an asset of power elites.

The DDT/environmentalist stuff.

All of it he says. Only he concludes environmentalists are surrogates of the power elite AGAINST the state.

Power elites want weak states. Or states which aren't capable of regulating economy.

 

Rat, you're laughable.

The human race has done so much damage to the earth...some damage we won't ever be able to fix. Why not feel disdain for the human race? The elitists have been the worst about this...they are the ones doing MOST of the damage.

We would not be here, if it weren't for a healthy, balanced environment...some people need to realize that. Mother Nature could flick us off like a dirty flea in no time...we SHOULD worship the earth...because if it weren't for her, we would not exist.

 

am i sick for wanting the sea turtle to run everything?

 

In my dreams it's the dolphins...like in the Simpson's episode.

 

Rat, you should seriously see a psychiatrist at some point, there is a lot of paranoia going on with you. Maybe some of it has foundation, but seriously mate. Not everything is an attempt by Zionists to rob you of your basic freedoms.

Though doubtlessly psychiatry is a tool of them too.

 

Don't you see a contradiction in that?

First you disdain humanity. Then you say the reason we should worship the earth is because if it wasn't for "her" we wouldn't exist.

Well, which is it?

 

I said "some people" if you would have read it correctly...I did not say ME.

Animals have a right to exist because they just DO...they are all sentient beings and have just as much of a right to live as you and I. Nature and everything natural is holy, in my opinion...it's an incredible miracle to see how everything is in perfect balance. It's when humans are thrown into the mix that things aren't balanced and get all wonky.

 

Oh, I see.

So environmentalism is not devoid of egocentric feeling. I suspected it.

Well, it's always great to feel right. While others are wrong.

 

Nature in itself has value...not because I give it value...or you give it value...or because it offers us something...it has value because it exists...just like you or I.

 

So we have value?

I just thought you had disdain for me.

 

I would like to make the very clear point that DDT was banned for agricultural use world wide, as it is a potent carcinogen, and devastating to wildlife.

It's use as disease control for fighting mosquito and preventing malaria, it still legal, and is still used in many parts of the world, and I agree with this use of it.

I think this contradicts Matt's thesis of population control.

 

So will you volunteer yourself to be sterilized when the time comes? Not that you will have a choice, but just wondering... if you had the choice?? Heck, maybe you'll even off yourself out of guilt for causing so much damage to "mother earth."

And you are absolutely right about the elitists causing the most damage to the environment, which should make you question now that these same elitists are coming foreward with THEIR "solutions" to combat the problems THEY largely created to begin with.

It's just part of their dialectical modus operandi -- order out of chaos. (Problem-Reaction-Solution.)

No, I will not worship the earth. I will not worship anything. Religion is manmade dogma aimed at CONTROL. The new age religions are no different than the old age religions, and like the old age religions, they are well-funded from the top for a reason.

And you are right about Mother Nature flicking us off like a flea. But she hasn't yet.

You see, what the environ-mental fundamentalists don't understand is that Mother Earth will be here long after humans are gone.

 

Everything has value because it exists...doesn't mean I like you or the person next to your...or the person next to him. Nature has done nothing to harm you...though if it did, it would be perfectly balanced. Humans live so outside of the natural world that we forget we are a PART of it. That's what I don't like...the people who think we are so seperate from it. I fucking hate it.

 

But it's banned in regions where malaria has taken (and continues to take) the most lives, which is the third-world countries of Africa.

 

Who said anything about Zionists? Stop resorting to the usual straw men tactics.

Try stepping out of the matrix you are trapped within.

 

Agrarian use of DDT. Not Vector control.

http://www.who.int/malaria/docs/WHO-TRS-936s.pdf

 

But you're ignoring this important quote:

--Alexander King (President of the Club of Rome)

 

Ok.

First, if everything has value you're not misanthropic. It's that simple. Misanthropes don't think humanity has any inherent value.

I'm actually closer to a misanthropic than you are. I don't have any faith in intrinsic value. For whatever it is.

Secondly, we are running into a gray area. You say you don't like that humans are apart from nature, and yet, we are a product of it.

What is nature?

And how can a product of nature cut itself off from it?

Thirdly, you have said yourself that mother nature can flick us off like fleas. Well, then mother nature CAN do harm to human beings.

In fact it has and will continue to.

Another question: is mother nature "moral?"

A further question: What is this "balance?" Have not pre-historic species been extinguished in the past without human intervention?

I don't really see this balance you're talking about.