The Church of Deep Ecology

I don't even know what you're arguing about Praxis. I think you're just in the mood for a debate.

I get like that too.

 

I'm being Socratic. It's my calling.

I guess I'm just responding to this idea that men are apart from nature, and men are evil whereas nature is innocent and moral, wise, balanced, etc. etc.

 

Misanthropists hate or distrust humankind. I hate humans for the most part...I hate them because most of them think we are better than other species on this earth, that we aren't a part of the natural balance, that we are ABOVE Mother Nature...that we can CONTROL it. Obviously we can only do it to a point before Mother Nature wreaks havoc on a lot of the world...like what's happening now. Tsunamis, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, etc.

Nature is the world around us that hasn't been touched by human hands - that hasn't been altered.

Easily, by building concrete buildings, by paving over natural open spaces, by cutting and logging trees...by trying to take control of Mother Nature. THAT is what is seperating ourselves from it. Do you know where your food comes from? Do you know where the clothing on your back comes from? Do you know where the wood that your house is built from came from? I hate myself that I don't know the answer to a lot of these questions. It makes me feel shitty. I hate that I am so seperate from nature. When in all reality it is what feeds me, it is what nourishes me...it is what keeps me alive. The LEAST I can do is try to honor, appreciate, and worship that.

Morality is subjective.

That's precisely my point. We are not so far removed from nature, she can off us without warning...but that's the balance. When we've reached the point of no return, she strikes. I will fully personify Mother Nature...because I believe the spirit of her is real. The way nature works is through a circle...a balance...where one is never stronger than the other. We, as humans, are getting too strong...too controlling...It's only a matter of time before we've put ourselves in a place where Mother Nature has no choice but to flick us off. These pre-historic species that have gone extinct are through other matters...like loss of food and change in climate....uh...hello?

 

I disagree with most of what you said there. I see a lot more value in human life then animal life.

 

humans are better than some animals, and worse than other animals. in terms of value

 

So when a colony of ants builds an ant hill, are ants cut off from nature?


And when dinasaurs extinguish whole species of mammals? Are they cut off from nature?

And if nature is so perfectly balanced, how could species die from lack of food, pre-historic climatic changes, etc. ?

Further, how can a perfectly balanced entity such as Mother Nature produce an agent of imbalance in Man?

Lastly, if morality is subjective, how can there be intrinsic value in nature?

See, I think you're making reality a little neat and clean for yourself. And in the process you run into these contradictions.

But every black/white ideology runs into contradictions.

 

Are we weighing their hearts like the Egyptians?

Lance Armstrong wins.

 

If you notice, some of environmentalist thinking is Biblical.


There is this perfect goodness (mother nature/God) from which sprang Man.

Man is somehow turn evil and cuts himself off (The Fall). How evil can derive from perfect goodness, we don't know.

Then, as punishment, Man is hit by a great Apocalypse/Tsunami, etc.

 

all organized religion is pretty much wack.

 

And your pic is cute as all hell. Evil.

P.S. See, I'm getting in a better mood. I knew it would happen sometime!

 

I don't believe in deifying nature. I believe it has no will, only obeys physical laws and chaos... which I suppose you'd call laws too. A tsunami happens because of a shift in plates underneath the ocean, not revenge.

 

yes, i represent the dark side :reddevil:

 

everyone should respect nature... yet all nature and the entire world is only held within your own mind, so respect yourself and your own mind and you will respect other sentient beings. appreciate simple beauty and don't get bogged down in sematics... at least, thats how i feel...

 

There you go. That's more like my way of thinking.

 

I live to share my rich beautiful soul with the world.

 

And here I was thinking you're only an agent of pure evil.

 

as everyone should

 

ive got a little bodhisattva in me

 

Doesn't explain the Republicans...

 

keyword: should.