The Democrat's Big Lie: A Vote For Nader Is A Vote For Bush

Alright, I think you might be one of the few who actually practices what you preach, there are a lot of Nader supporters in this election that are just trying to be elitist.

I don't think they are the same.

Sorry. There are sooooo many people here who have done that and it's very hard to keep everyone straight.

Hey, don't look at me, I would never keep someone off the ballot. Seriously. I don't think all Democrats wish for that either. I don't blame Kerry for that though. Why do you say he desperately needs help, don't tell me you are buying into the polls. Not accurate, besides there will be a landslide of new voters who will most likely vote for Kerry. I know a good number of them myself. I'm hoping the national trend will imitate my own experiences.

 

I was praising Ellis, not myself. He pretty much said what I wanted to say, and much better than I would have been able to.

Well, first of all, I don't worship Nader. I never even said that I was going to vote for him, and I've never been to his website.

I would probably be more likely to vote for Libertarian nominee Michael Badnarik.... if I even vote at all. I am disgusted with the electoral process in this country.

I am simply defending Nader from this fascist attack by the Democrats.

But Nader would be better for this country (and the world) on his worst day, than John Kerry would be on his best.

Nader has done a lot over the past several decades to genuinely help Americans and make them safer, while Kerry has done a lot to help himself, and his wallet.

What have I spewed that Alex Jones has? Is it because I used the term "group-think"? I don't think he invented that term, or was the first to use it.

I am far from radical. The only people who are radical are the ones who try to be, such as the armband-wearing, red star-sporting, self-described "communists." I am not even a commie, let alone radical.

But if radical means going against mainstream ideals, so be it.

It's clear you know NOTHING about what I am talking about, which probably explains your political stance.

Look, this has nothing to do with "rich" people who own mansions and multi-million dollar boats. It's not a "class" thing at all. It has to do with the corruption that arises when big-business is so closely intermingled with government.

Don't you know anything about globalization, or is that term completely foreign to you?

When I refer to the elites, I am referring to the global-elite, which is a conglomerate of the wealthiest, most powerful people on the planet, which extends the entire globe. This elite is made up of high-ranking political figures, bankers, CEO's from the largest corporations in the world, etc..

These people are all tied together for one goal, which is a move toward a one-world government in which they, and only they, will benefit.

Bush and Kerry both fall into this elite. They are corporate shills and nothing but.

So what is Kerry going to do? You have repeatedly failed to answer this question.

 

You give the impression that you are quite arrogant and that annoys me. Why do you always piggy-back off of other's posts? Think and answer for yourself.

I'm pretty sure you said you were at least considering voting for him at some point. He attacks Democrats too so I guess it evens out. I'm sorry but anyone who doesn't contribute to getting Bush out of office is evil and has NO idea what is at stake here.

I wasn't talking about this thread necessarily, in others you seem extremely far from mainstream, mostly my point was it is not always bad to be mainstream! If the facts are there and the truth is there, why reject it just because you will be included in the majority by doing so?

What does Kerry have to gain out of it? Who are these people, what businesses do they own? Kerry and Bush have very different supporters and that makes a big difference to issues that I care about such as the environment. Also do you think Kerry would do Haliburton any favors?
Do you really think a one world government is feasible? Really? Kerry is NOT going to help PNAC, they aren't his people.

Why do I have to answer it? If you want to know go to his website, it is thoroughly explained. Since you are so adamantly against him, I would think you've researched the matter extensively.
He will get international help, give our allies access to the contracts for reconstruction, things Bush won't do. He has said he would like the troops home by the end of his term, Bush hasn't stated a removal date.

 

Well, I will admit that I can come across as being quite arrogant over the internet, depending on the topic and how passionately I feel about it. That is just my style of writing. Most of the people who have been coming here for years, know this, and are pretty much used to my writing style.

And I wasn't piggybacking off of anyone's thread. I was simply crediting Ellis for being one of the several people in these forums who think with six cylinders instead of four.

Apparently, I am annoying you, so I must be doing something right.

I was, and I still am considering voting for Ralph Nader. But that doesn't mean I worship the guy.

Anyone who doesn't contribute to getting Bush out of office is evil? Geez, and I suppose all Muslims are terrorists?

What a silly remark!

Also, you cannot compare the Democrats' attack on Nader to Nader's attack on the Democrats. That's just completely illogical. Nader didn't start attacking the Democrats untill they started attacking him - and viciously!

Nader attacking the Democrats is like a mouse attacking an elephant. Nader has almost NO SUPPORT, and certainly not from the mainstream media which almost always completely ignores him altogether, if not paints him out to be some sort of villain.

Ok, right....

My views are far from mainstream in this controlled, conditioned society we live in. The things I talk about are talked about by millions of people. You are simply not getting the facts, or you don't care. You're choosing to accept the dumbed down version of what you think is reality, when you have done almost NO research on some of the things I talk about - such as global-elites - which are far from "conspiracy theorist," BTW.

And what "facts" and "truth" are you talking about?

What does Kerry have to gain out of it?

Wow! Please tell me that is not a serious question.

Look, I could take the time and energy to explain all this to you. But you can think what you will. Nothing I say is going to change your mind.

Corporations are corporations. Halliburton is no worse than Bristol-Myers Squibb. They all fit into the puzzle the exact same way. Money is money. Power is power. Corruption is corruption.

You need to get over this naive assumption that government corruption is limited to only oil corporations and the Republican Party. Corruption bares no political label. Corruption is bred from money and power, which are two things that transcend party lines.

No, I already know.

I know that puppet Bush and puppet Kerry are different on some domestic issues, but on foreign policy, they're almost exactly alike, and the changes, if any, that Kerry has planned for the future of Iraq, are sketchy at best.

Has Kerry stated a removal date?

Don't you understand that no matter how many troops are sent over there TO DIE, this war will never end? We are fighting an ENDLESS WAR. You are using the same logic that Bush does when he lies to the American public and paints a pretty picture for the future of Iraq.

There is no way the US is ever going to win over the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, and who can blame them?

And what makes you so certain that if Kerry is elected, we will get our allies back? That is an ill-conceived presumption at best.

Please, you desperately need to wake up!

 

You're like most people, you call anyone with different views and opinions than yourself ignorant, brainwashed and stupid.

I am voting for Kerry, but it doesn't mean I worship him either, so stop generalizing if you don't want the same done to you.
If you are aware of how criminal and evil the Bush administration is, then yes, you are wrong and immoral to not help get him out of office IMO.

Not all dems attack him, in fact many think he will take just as many votes away from Bush as from Kerry. There are a number of Republicans who are dissatisfied with Bush and can't bring themselves to vote for a Dem, so they may go for Nader.

I accept globalization as inevitable. It is already happening. You're right, I don't care, at least to the degree that I wouldn't vote for Kerry because of it.

No, certain corporations (favored by Bush) are harmful to the environment. You probably don't give a damn about the environment, so I doubt you care.

I'm glad you admit they are diff. on some domestic issues, many people care about those.
Kerry said he'll get troops out before the end of his term and he doesn't anticipate sending more over. You know Bush doesn't care what people think, he wants to stay the course no matter what. At least Kerry will listen and use his judgement to decide. Bush is stubborn. Kerry's thoughts on Iraq seem to evolve with any new info he gets. As the situation worsens he seems to be leaning towards getting out of there.
At least with Kerry we have hope, with Bush, no. He will probably start more new wars. Do you think Kerry would? He would lose ALL his support and be hated more than Bush!

Look, lots of people are against this war including myself, so I ask, why isn't Nader enormously popular right now? It seems I'm not the only antiwar Kerry supporter.

No, I need to go to bed.

 

I don't ever remember calling you "stupid" or "ignorant," and I don't think I ever exactly said "you're brainwashed," though I may have inferred that.

 

You did, but whatever, I'm over it. It's just the internet. I mostly dislike being described as uninformed or ignorant on certain issues. Just because I'm deciding to vote for Kerry doesn't mean I don't know as much as you. The Skull and Bones issue, the cousins issue, etc...don't matter as much to me as getting Bush out. I hope you can see that someday. There are a lot of people who feel that way too including many great minds.

Well, he didn't start the war and said he definitely wouldn't have.

I know, but Nader doesn't have a chance at winning.

If you guys want 3rd party candidates to have more of a presence in elections, start small, local. Get a base.
I personally think Nader is too far to the left for most people.