The Donald Trump Score Card

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  1. egger

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    Trump goes to Supreme Court over Mar-a-Lago search and seizure of documents | CNN Politics

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    "Cannon, the Justice Department previously told the 11th Circuit, had “ordered disclosure of highly sensitive material to a special master and to Plaintiff’s counsel—potentially including witnesses to relevant events—in the midst of an investigation, where no charges have been brought.”

    The purpose of getting a special master to review those documents is not entirely fleshed out by Trump’s new filing with the Supreme Court. Trump nodded to Cannon’s assertion that he, as former president, would suffer “reputational harm of a decidedly different order of magnitude” if he was indicted based on evidence that had been unlawfully seized. That rationale was squarely rejected by the 11th Circuit, when it carved out the documents from the special master review."
     
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    Trump goes to Supreme Court over Mar-a-Lago search and seizure of documents | CNN Politics

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    "Elsewhere in the new application, Trump indicated his desire to include the documents marked as classified in the churn of challenges his lawyers will get to hash out before Dearie as part of the special master process. He re-upped arguments – viewed with extreme skepticism by a broad range of legal experts – that the Presidential Records Act may shield him from criminal charges brought for how he handled the materials. Trump also hinted at the idea that he may have declassified the records in question. As he has in earlier stages of the litigation, however, Trump stopped short of making the assertion outright.

    On Tuesday, Trump told the Supreme Court that Cannon had the authority to refer “these matters to a special master to determine whether documents bearing classification markings are in fact classified, and regardless of classification, whether those records are personal records or Presidential records, such that their disposition may be managed properly under the PRA.”

    “The Government’s position presumes certain documents are in fact classified, affording President Trump no opportunity to contend otherwise. This presumption is at the core of the dispute,” he said."
     
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    Trump Takes Mar-a-Lago Docs Case to SCOTUS, Claims DOJ Wants to 'Pin Some Offense on Him' Despite Giving 'Deference' to Bush and Obama

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    "The SCOTUS filing somewhat tacitly tees up the conflict of law issue that has been apparent since the case commenced. While Trump’s attorneys have characterized the matter as a dispute under the Presidential Records Act, the DOJ has asserted in court filings that a criminal investigation under the Espionage Act is afoot. The probe involves witness interviews, the Mar-a-Lago search and seizure mission of Aug. 8, and a grand jury probe, federal prosecutors have vouchsafed in previous filings.

    Trump’s attorneys want the Supreme Court to vacate the appellate stay “which authorized review of seized documents bearing classification markings.” Or in other words, Trump’s attorneys want that DOJ review stopped so that Dearie can look at the material first."
     
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    It's a squabble between Trump and the DOJ over who gets to see evidence during a criminal investigation that may produce an indictment of Trump and others.

    Trump's team wants the special master to see such potential evidence alongside the DOJ. It was temporarily successful in preventing the DOJ from reviewing classified documents until the 11th Circuit overruled Cannon. Trump has appealed the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The DOJ is concerned about its criminal investigation being compromised by Trump and others seeing the seized documents which could be used as evidence for an indictment.

    The DOJ has argued that the documents were generated by the U.S. government and are its property. It has said that Trump hasn't shown evidence that he declassified them or that they are his property.

    Trump has made shadowy arguments that he declassified them and that they are his property without asserting such claims in formal legal filings.
     
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    Judge Dearie was assigned as the special master to settle ownership issues over the seized documents. He told Trump to show evidence or sign an affidavit stating that some of the documents were planted by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago, which Trump has insinuated.

    Judge Cannon later ruled that Dearie didn't have the authority to issue such a request to Trump. Cannon said that ownership assessments would be made on a document-by-document basis. 200,000 pages of documents need to be reviewed.
     
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    Trump not required to provide sworn declaration that FBI ‘planted’ evidence

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    "“Plaintiff’s designations shall be on a document-by-document basis,” Cannon wrote. “For any document that plaintiff designates as privileged and/or personal, plaintiff shall include a statement adequately explaining the precise basis for the designation.”

    The former president’s lawyers and the justice department then have no more than 10 days to submit to Dearie a log about any disagreements over the privilege claims, after which the order instructed the special master to issue a report and recommendations to resolve any disputes.

    Cannon also sided with Trump regarding how the process should take place: Cannon rejected the recommendation by the justice department to have Trump make privilege claims on a rolling basis and ordered Trump to make one comprehensive log at the end of the 21-day review period."
     
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    That's much tedious work for Trump and at his expense.

    But to him, if it delays a criminal investigation of him and bolsters his ego, it's worth it.
     
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    The squabble usually starts after the indictment when the criminal trial process is underway.

    This time it's happening while the DOJ is conducting its investigation and before any indictments.
     
  10. stormountainman

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    I live in Trump supporting North Dakota. Here on the majority of radio stations, you'll hear advertisements for My Pillow products, and day long bashing of the "Left", Hunter Biden, The Squad, and Communists. The Republicans of North Dakota support Trump, regardless of his overt attack on America's electoral system. They often celebrate "bringing home the bacon" as in the case of federal money for rural internet, and farmer welfare. The latest pro-Trump activity here is overt and obvious. The Republicans who control just about anything here have stopped broadcasting NPR radio. Like in most other states, NPR is broadcasted out of local colleges. Now with just weeks until elections, the Republicans of North Dakota have stopped nearly all information which presents the Democrat take on news, or public issues.
     
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  11. Twogigahz

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    Oh, and the Democrats are Communist...
     
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  12. stormountainman

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    Clarence Thomas has taken it upon himself to accept Trump's Mar A Lago appeal concerning the classified issue matter. Remember, Thomas's wife is involved in several efforts to overturn Biden's 2020 victory. There are several calls for him to recuse himself; however, Thomas has made it clear he wants to re-visit several precedent rulings so equality, affirmative action, voting rights could be set back to the Leave It To Beaver era.
     
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  14. stormountainman

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    Praise Allah! Maybe Trump will do some prison time!
     
  15. Twogigahz

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    I highly doubt good ol' Clarence will do the right thing - if he does, it's the death knell for Trump. Trump has his fingers in so many pies and has so many strings out there. I'm surprised that it hasn't gotten to the point of people just disappearing yet. Some people just thrive on conflict.
     
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  16. MeAgain

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    How can they stop NPR from broadcasting?
     
  17. Twogigahz

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    It's all private funding that runs NPR, plus most broadcasters are university based....which donors can easily put their thumb on. Maybe we need a "Radio-Free-Dakota" station on short wave radio....
     
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    I don't like to correct you, Stormy, but you spelled Afghanistan incorrectly.
     
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    Everybody that republicans don't like is a "communist". These hicks don't know what a communist is.
     
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  20. stormountainman

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    There are several NPR stations and if one has a tech problem and is not broad casting, I can usually dial to another. My gut feeling is this: These college cased stations get government funding and the state government must have ordered them closed during the weeks before the election ... maybe? At this time I can say they have not been on the aur for days??? There is no Democrat or unbiased news, or talk show. It is all pro Trump, and badmouthing the Libs, and selling My Pillow!
     
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