The Donald Trump Score Card

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    Some ex-DOJ officials who worked for Trump say the Supreme Court just made it easy for him to weaponize the DOJ

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    "The majority opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts found that Trump’s attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election by pushing Justice Department officials to launch investigations of unfounded claims of widespread voter fraud were “absolutely immune” from prosecution.

    “The indictment’s allegations that the requested investigations were shams or proposed for an improper purpose do not divest the President of exclusive authority over the investigative and prosecutorial functions of the Justice Department and its officials,” Roberts wrote. “Because the President cannot be prosecuted for conduct within his exclusive constitutional authority, Trump is absolutely immune from prosecution for the alleged conduct involving his discussions with Justice Department officials.”"
     
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    Excerpt from the final passage of Chief Justice Roberts' opinion in the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court case of Trump vs. United States

    Trump won.

    United States lost.


    Roberts:

    "Our first President had such a perspective. In his Farewell Address, George Washington reminded the Nation that “a Government of as much vigour as is consistent with the perfect security of Liberty is indispensable.” 35 Writings of George Washington 226 (J. Fitzpatrick ed. 1940). A government “too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction,” he warned, could lead to the “frightful despotism” of “alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge.” Id., at 226–227. And the way to avoid that cycle, he explained, was to ensure that government powers remained “properly distributed and adjusted.” Id., at 226.

    It is these enduring principles that guide our decision in this case. The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law. But Congress may not criminalize the President’s conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the Executive Branch under the Constitution. And the system of separated powers designed by the Framers has always demanded an energetic, independent Executive. The President therefore may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled, at a minimum, to a presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office, regardless of politics, policy, or party.

    The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the D. C. Circuitis vacated, and the case is remanded for further proceedings
     
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    Giuliani appears to be gaming the system

    Ruby Freeman and her daughter won a $148 million defamation suit against Giuliani and are trying to collect.


    Georgia election workers who won $148M judgment against Giuliani want his bankruptcy case thrown out

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    “Our view is we do not have a good-faith debtor. He has misbehaved every step of the way,” Dublin said about Giuliani. “We think again that the debtor here has been trying to game the system.”

    Strickland added, “For the last six months, my clients and the committee have been sounding alarm bells about Mr. Giuliani’s problematic conduct including his underhanded litigation tactics. ... We think that the conversion request (to liquidation) just underscores the bad-faith approach, and don’t think that this is a party that should be allowed to exploit the bankruptcy process any longer.”
     
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    Giuliani was disbarred in NY this week for spreading Trump's 2020 election lies.

    He also faces dsibarrment in DC. A judge still has to rule.
     
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    Image showing Trump during a Fox interview using his hands to describe the beautiful chocolate cake he was eating with the leader of China when he ordered a missile strike on Syria.

    Bartiromo of Fox has a big smile on her face.


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    Bartiromo was like a toddler while Trump described the cake and the missile strike that he told the leader of China, Xi, he had just ordered. She wanted to know the reaction and said with a smile on her face, "What did he say?! What did he say?!"

    Trump told her that Xi asked the interpreter to repeat what Trump had just said about the missile strike. Xi couldn't believe what he was hearing.

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    And yet the U.S. Supreme Court this week endowed absolute immunity to Trump (and his chocolate cake) who is now saying that Biden wouldn't be able to handle the president of China properly.

    Why? Because Roberts thinks that 'enterprising prosecutors' might actually hold Trump accountable for his criminal behavior and therefore he wouldn't be able to have an 'energetic' presidency.
     
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    Roberts criticized the dissent of the three liberal justices by saying that they were only citing conjecture that a president might engage in criminal behavior and be emboldened by the Supreme Court's decision to grant absolute immunity.

    Yet Roberts is stating his own conjecture that prosecutors may start engaging in a tit-for-tat frivolous prosecution of a former president if he doesn't have immunity. Other than Nixon and Trump, there is little historical evidence to suggest this has happened or is likely to happen.

    Trump has already shown that he's willing to engage in criminal behavior, such as inciting a riot and insurrection to try to overthrow a legitimate presidential election. Trump has also stated publicly that he will use the DOJ to go on a revenge campaign against Biden and the 'whole Biden crime family'. This is that type of behavior that Roberts claims he fears.

    If it comes down to a selection of which anticipated undesirable actions are more likely to occur in the future and which pose a bigger problem, it would seem that Trump's publicly stated enterprising threats and his already implemented nefarious behavior would be more likely than that of 'enterprising prosecutors' trying to legitimately hold a former president accountable for his criminal behavior.
     
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    Trump caught making remarks about Biden and Harris.


    Trump Caught on Video Claiming ‘Broken-Down’ Biden Has Quit: ‘It’s Kamala’

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    “He just quit, you know—he’s quitting the race,” Trump says, sitting in a golf cart. “I got him out of the—and that means we have Kamala.”

    Later in the clip, he fawns over Chinese President Xi Jinping, calling him “a fierce man, very tough guy” whom Biden may be unable to handle.

    It was not immediately clear where or when exactly the footage was covertly filmed.

    In the video, the former president asks the person holding the camera what they thought of his own debate performance. As he’s told he did “fantastic” and “amazing,” Trump blusters on flatly, “Look at that old, broken down pile of crap.

    “It’s a bad guy,” he says, seemingly referring to Biden. After announcing that the president is quitting and handing the baton to Kamala Harris, Trump continues, “I think she’s gonna be better” as an opponent.

    “She’s so bad. She’s so pathetic,” he adds, plucking at his gloves, then appears to say, “She’s so fucking bad.”
     
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    The Coming ‘Mini Trial’ of Donald Trump

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    "A very substantial portion of the case is likely still subject to prosecution. If you look at what the chief justice describes as Trump’s interactions with persons outside the executive branch — state officials, private parties, and the general public — Trump and his co-conspirators attempted to convince state officials that election fraud had tainted the popular vote count in their states and therefore to change the electoral votes, developed and effectuated a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. All of that may remain fair game, and all of that will be in bounds in the mini-trial. That’s why we call it a mini-trial: It’s going to put some of the most disturbing elements of the attempted coup on trial for the American people, for the court and the American people to consider. There’s a slew of evidence: The emails from Ken Chesebro and John Eastman and Jim Troupis and the fake electors, and there’s witnesses. I don’t see how Trump proves some of this stuff was official — that’s the meat of it."
     
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    Trump's criminal trials now hinge on whether his acts were official or unofficial that the Supreme Court says will be a job for the district courts to try to determine. Supreme Court was murky. It didn't define official vs. unofficial and what constitutes official acts of the president that have absolute immunity and what is within the outer perimeter of his acts that have provisional immunity

    Roberts made up these terms and didn't define them.

    The district court wasn't favorable to Trump. If it rules against Trump again, Trump will appeal it to the Supreme Court again.


    After Supreme Court 'absolute immunity' ruling, Trump’s Jan. 6 trial now hinges on whether these 5 acts were 'official' or 'unofficial'
     
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    The Supreme Court Puts Trump Above the Law

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    "In an obvious hypothetical frequently raised by critics, this would mean that a president could assassinate a rival in the name of national security, then avoid impeachment by intimidating members of Congress with the threat of murdering them as well, and thus be immune from prosecution forever. This ruling upholds that doomsday scenario, and if by some miracle a president who murdered his political enemies were removed, prosecutors would not only be barred from trying him but would also not be allowed to use his conversations with executive-branch officials as evidence against him."
     
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    Varying Treatment of Biden and Trump Puts Their Parties in Stark Relief

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    "That Mr. Trump would seem capable compared with Mr. Biden is a matter of perspective. Mr. Biden, 81, at times during the debate confused his words, stared blankly and seemed lost. Mr. Trump, 78, whose mental fitness has been questioned by former advisers and who has appeared incoherent at times during public appearances in recent months, made statements during the debate that were hard to follow and in many cases flatly not true. But his voice was strong, he did not appear frail and instant polls showed that most viewers thought he did better than Mr. Biden."
     
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    One Obstacle for Trump’s Promises: This Isn’t the 2016 Economy

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    "The policies Mr. Trump is floating are escalations of things he has tried before. Tax cuts that swelled the nation’s debt pile, tariffs, immigration controls, and verbal attacks on the Fed haranguing it to lower interest rates were all cornerstones of his first term. Yet the economy’s evolution since makes it a potentially dangerous moment to repeat those policies in a more drastic fashion.

    “It’s one thing when you run expansionary fiscal policy in a world with suboptimal inflation and an unemployment rate below full employment,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics and a Biden administration adviser. But this is a “very different economic backdrop,” Mr. Zandi said."
     
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    'Black jobs'? Trump draws pushback after anti-immigration rant

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    He decried "the constant use of division to try to pit people against each other — Black and brown folk, immigrants, people who are struggling to be able to take care of themselves and their families — pitting us against each other."
     
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    Trump asks Cannon to halt documents case because of Supreme Court immunity ruling.


    Trump asks judge to halt documents case after Supreme Court immunity ruling

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    "But Smith and his team of prosecutors urged Cannon to deny his request, arguing that the indictment returned by a federal grand jury last year does not charge Trump for any actions he undertook as president.

    "Every criminal charge in the superseding indictment is based upon conduct in which Trump engaged after he left office," the special counsel argued in a March filing. "Even if a former president could claim some immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts — and he cannot — Trump could not benefit from any such immunity in this case.""
     
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    Judge Aileen Cannon grants Trump's request to pause some deadlines in classified documents case amid immunity questions

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    "U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon on Saturday granted former President Donald Trump’s request for further briefing on the issue of presidential immunity in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case and delayed certain deadlines.

    Cannon’s order marks the latest fallout from the Supreme Court’s presidential immunity decision on Monday, which ruled that Trump has immunity from prosecution for some conduct as president in the federal election interference case.

    In the order, Cannon afforded special counsel Jack Smith the right, but not the obligation, to file a submission on the use of classified information at trial. At the same time, she paused two upcoming deadlines for Trump and his co-defendants.

    Smith’s brief is now due on July 18, and a reply from Trump’s team is due on July 21."
     
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