The electorial college needs to go

Donald Duck's long list of accomplishments include getting elected against the wishes of his own party leaders and defying them to impeach him, while 40% of the country supports him. I'd say that's a real first in the history of the republican party, as well as, presidential history. His accomplishment is in opposing what he calls a corrupt government, and it takes a thief to know one. Thieves are always the most paranoid about someone ripping them off, so I say, let the rich eat each other alive. Encourage the bastards, and demand our votes and constitution be restored.

 

I've often wondered if you were from New Hampshire, a state that has just about had it's fill of Libertarians thanks to the Free State Project which started in 2001. They were not ashamed to admit they planned to move 20,000 Libertarians there to literally take over the state government. It's almost 20 years later and while they have certainly infiltrated the government there, they are still far from any sort of control.

What's interesting is how New Hampshire politicians are reacting to them. As left-leaning as that state is, they are genuinely afraid of being taken over by this group. Their mission statement says a lot:

"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property. The success of the Project would likely entail reductions in taxation and regulation, reforms at all levels of government to expand individual rights and free markets, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world."

What's more interesting though is the recent perspective on their movement from the NH government:

In December 2012, state representative Cynthia Chase (D-Keene) said "Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the “freedoms” that they think they will find here".

In 2012, the Concord Police Department applied for $258,000 in federal government funding to buy a Lenco BearCat armored vehicle for protection against terrorist attacks, riots, or shooting incidents. The application said: "Groups such as the Sovereign Citizens, Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire are active and present daily challenges". The grant from the United States Department of Homeland Security was successful and the Concord City Council unanimously approved of the grant after having revised the application to remove references to those political movements.

So their answer is to buy a military assault vehicle, to save New Hampshire, from people they claim to be domestic terrorists, simply because their politics is different. THAT is establishment bullshit of the highest order. And really, does anyone see New Hampshire as a pivotal target for foreign terrorists?

Geeeeez, look at all those lug nuts!!!!!!!!​

You are right though about the way they siphon votes (mostly from republicans).

In September 2014, Republican Party Senate nominee Scott Brown, a former United States Senator from Massachusetts, said his election campaign needed "Freestaters" to support him in his closing statement at the Granite State Debate.

But they did say in 2001 that's exactly what they planned to do. They want to create a state that has actual liberty (as they define it) to show the rest of the country that it can be done.

I personally think it's time we had more political disruptions like this AND Trump. It's time for the establishment to realize they can be voted out by their own rules (which explains why they want to change those rules).

 

I'm a navy brat, NH is a bit out of the way from the rest of the world. Fuck NH, nobody stood up for my vote and constitutional rights for more than a brief moment. Why the hell should I care about assholes in the middle of nowhere who don't support free elections and constitutional rights? Bernie might as well be pissing in the wind for fun and profit. When people ask my political advice, I tell them to stop voting! Stop voting the assholes into office, let voter turnout go through the fucking floor and see how long they can insist their votes still matter.

If abstaining from voting is political, then so is taking a shit. I would vote for Mickey Mouse, but its fucking illegal in Libertarian Paradise. You wouldn't want me to break the law now would you? I just write potty humor for adults and children.

 

Is California's economy based on capitalism?

 

I don't think there are many pure capitalist or socialist economies in the world. Maybe Somalia for capatalism is closest today?

 

Reminds me of the time the Rashneeshees tried to take over Antelope, Oregon. Civilization rests on a precarious balance, and the price of a free society is vulnerability to the machinations of evil people. Libertarians are big on rights and small on responsibilities. Wishing for more political disruptions and Trump reflects the fuzzy thinking that could bring it all down and make us long for the days when we were just bored with ethics and the rule of law.

 

disbanding the electoral college shouldn't be necessary to get a decent vote. I wish the electorate were better educated. They don't want a smart vote! Their way or the highway.

 

The electoral college is a joke, if everyone keeps voting for whoever advertises the most, because their votes have been gerrymandered to death and even Fox News can get away with the most outrageous lies, by merely claiming they are entertainment. At the rate we are going, nobody will believe whoever announces the winner.

 

1. Getting out of that horrible Iran deal, which gave an Islamic dictatorship a clear path to weapons of mass destruction.

2. Tax cuts- we got one. We certainly are not "rich" by American standards.

3. Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Despite the the predictions from the left about how the Arab world would "explode" (yes, some "experts"- or at least talking heads- used that very world), outside of Ramallah, nobody much cared.

4. Yes, The Wall. I understand it is an ugly symbol. Moreover, I am not at all sure that a physical wall such as the one Trump is pushing is the most cost effective way of clamping down on illegal immigration- but it is one way. The important thing is that Trump has curtailed illegal immigration, despite the best efforts of the left to promote it. If you do not have borders, you do not have a nation. I for one am not willing to give up on the US of A, and, once they think about it for more than 30 seconds, I doubt most Americans are. FYI, I am an immigrant (albeit one who came to these blessed shores as an infant).

5. Curtailing immigration from Moslem nations. Obama- and, I will wager President Hillary- promoted it (to the detriment of Christians being slaughtered and denied basic rights in Moslem lands).

6. Excellent Supreme Court- and probably inferior court- selections. Justices who will adhere to, not make, law. Just as one example, Roe v Wade was a lousy decision. Now I speak as someone who had an abortion at age 15, and I do not oppose abortion in all circumstances, even though I regret my own and consider it at best a nasty practice of medicine. But using abortion almost as a means of birth control is, at my stage of life, simply appalling. Democrats love it.

7. Reversing Obama's horrible neglect of the military, even though he micromanaged them. I have heard Adm James Lyons speak in pained terms how he was "ashamed" of the rules of engagement that Obama imposed on the military that contributed to the deaths of American soldiers.

For all his many faults, Trump has pointed American in a better direction.

 

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He stops the great replacement (of white people) as the alt-right calls it. He makes it OK to be white and legitimizes views prior thought wrong. I'm not racist these people say, I have a black friend I'm just tired of all this PC affirmative action nonsense. Where is white history month? Where is my straight parade?


It's marketing 101. When you know your product is shit you sell the feeling. The feeling of not saying Merry Christmas, the feeling of baking gay cakes. For all these people say they don't like feelings they sure have some.

 

What Trump wants with the wall is for Mexican immigrants to fall. They won't. He wants to capitalize on the American ideology that there is a "problem" with immigration. There isn't and it's been proven by sociologists time and time again that immigrants do not comprise the groups of people that make up criminals any more than other people.

he tried to steal money from the military to build it... his motives are sinister. He wants to align republicans with white supremacy. His America is one in which brown people do not belong, and that's unacceptable.

He is a racist in unofficial capacity - he doesn't come out and say he's racist, but his policies mimic racism, and cater to racist ideals that are unfortunately ingrained in the families of some Americans/parts of America.

Greene, you are eloquent, but that does not excuse you from being responsible about ideals, motives, policy, and agendas. What's between the lines? nothing at all most republicans try and say.

I know better.

 

You have said nothing specific respond to. All vague generalizations. But there is a problem with immigration. As an immigrant, I hardly oppose it- but it needs to be done according OUR LAWS. Why is that difficult to understand?

P.S. The Wall is there to stop illegal immigration. Don't try to confute that with the legal variety.

 

No. I think I spoke influentially...

That's certainly an opinion popular among republicans. What perse may it be? That you hate Mexicans? If so, I'm hardly surprised but equally unimpressed.

 

My goodness, what a response. Because someone speaks out in favor of ensuring a legal process for immigration, they are suspected of "hating Mexicans". What a banal response.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

No one's doing anything but refuting your obvious attempt to bolster republican ideals. It's one thing to be conservative. It's admirable to think conservatively. To spend conservatively will spare your wallet. But it's an entirely different thing to misinterpret those principles and try to strong arm down, while claiming to be on the more moral side of the argument, a political opponent. You're wrong. And you want things that sicken moral people.

 

I don't think I've been banal.

And it's not much of a stretch to associate the wall with the problem of racial impropriety or systemic racism in this country. And I said "if". That your offended seems to suggest your guilt...

 

You clearly are not a serious person. But I somehow sense you think you are.

Sorry, I have nothing more to say to you.

 

Sounds like a lame personal attack. You can keep it to yourself, thanks. Your sense is likely clouded by your hate of "the left" and your fear that you're outnumbered.

 

What kind of work does a Mexican do and who hires him?

Let's assume they don't speak English and have no Social Security number so 99% of jobs are gone. Those are all jobs even a American with felonies and 6th grade education can do.

Chances are they work in farming or in the kitchen of a restraunt under the table.

If an American can't get work they need some of that good fashioned personal responsibility. Why didn't you to to school to learn something? Why are you allowing another American to pay someone under the table? Why do you not demand Bernie style worker rights?

No one "owes you anything" correct?

A rich American hires a Mexican and stupid Americans don't blame him not wanting to pay even minnium wage. It's part of the fetish we make Capitalism into it. It's ALWAYS the worker's fault. If there was no work they would not come.

The legal immigration process does not apply to asylum seekers. Plain and simple they can come without warning because of where they come from.

Trump voters go on about the law in this subject and they don't actually understand what the law is. They want it to be racist and in favor of them. It's long standing and is more humane.

 

You can tell by the advertisements that they run on TV that they are either catering to stupid people, or that they think that we all are stupid. Matt Bevin, the current governor of the state of Kentucky, is running ads claiming that his opponent, Andy Beshear, is pro-illegal immigrants. Then the commercial goes on to show members of MS13 with all their disgusting tattoos. Got nothing to do with this state. The next Kentucky governor should concentrate on getting the citizens proper dental care and teaching them how to read. Thank God for Mississippi.