The End of Times

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Burn, Sep 24, 2005.

  1. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    I have read accounts like this before, yet the only way they make sense is if you force yourself to only pick an choose out of the story what agrees with your theory. When he speaks of Mount Siniah being a volcano he only speaks of the smoke riseing. Yet the Bible states that the smoke and fire decended on the mountain like a furnance. The discovery of Mount Siniah a few years back has revealed it was never a volcano but more like granit with a burnt top. If you follow this parade of errors you might fall for this kind of explanation, but if you read the Bible, you will understand the true story.
     
  2. Burn

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    It's not really about picking and choosing. They obviously hold ground in a good deal of Biblical context. I say the Red Sea was a major 'account'. Like I stated before, the Bible is nothing more than historical context exaggerated by religious and political views. I doubt every story can be explained entirely by natural occurrences, and that's because they are fairy tales.
     
  3. campbell34

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    Yes, it is about picking and choosing, because you must pick and choose in order to explain the story in a humanistic mind set. You acknowledge that something happened, but you must call those who wrote the Bible liars, because you claim they just made up the details of the event. And if these stories were fairy tales, explain how a granit mountain ended up with a burnt top? And why is there a 40 foot man made stone altar at the base of Mount Sinia? And why were there boundry markers around that mountain? Every land mark the Bible has talked about has been found there. And why between the two pillars of Solomen at the edge of the Red Sea are they finding the remnants of Pharoahs army? These are not fairy tales, these are facts.
     
  4. HippieLngstckng

    HippieLngstckng Bringer of DOOM!!!

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    Dear Mr. Campbell,

    While I also disagree that the Bible is merely a book of fairy tales, I have to interject here to say that - even though I'm a firm believer - the significance of the landmarks only proves that a) the Jewish people were there, and b) that they did build and leave behind momentos for us to find. These findings in no way "prove" G-d's involvement in these situations any more than the remains of Stonehenge "proves" the religion of the Druids. Even a burnt Granite mountain does not make G-d a factual reality that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    "Blind faith" is the key, here. Sometimes we're given something to feed that faith, but the point I'm trying to make is about free will. If it were obvious that there was a G-d, then humanity would make it so that there would be no choice but to worship Him, because He would be a "factual reality." I may be wrong, but I don't think that's the way He intended it, or the world would be made differently. He wants servants who are willing to love and serve Him in spite of lack of solid evidence... Not slaves who serve Him because there is no other choice. Think back to the Garden of Eden... Our greatest gift the L-rd gave to us is the right to choose our Master.

    Peace! ;)
     
  5. JesusDiedForU

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    I just have a question for you:

    Have you ever heard of the Mount Sinai and the Red Sea Crossing evidence before Campbell shared it with the forums?
     
  6. IntenseHeat

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    WE well vanish from this earth long before the Sun fuel tank goes low. matter of fact beside meteors , and our own doing. if the sun was to loose just enough energy for earth to loose a few degree of heating we are doom. The fact is no ones really care since every one in this forum well be long dead by then , Regardless of how young you are right now.
     
  7. Burn

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    You seem to completely miss the point I try to make, again and again. Maybe I'm not explaining myself right.

    These are all facts, and of course the Bible has referred to these facts, but they have done so in their own cultural context. The explanations for the facts we find today are all in the Bible, but it is -their- explanation, for -their- time and -their- religious beliefs. And this is not necessarily making the explanation factual about the fact.
     
  8. IntenseHeat

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    Oh very young
    What will you leave us this time
    You're only dancing on this earth for a short while
    And though your dreams may toss and turn you now
    They will vanish away like your daddy's best jeans
    Denim Blue fading up to the sky
    And though you want them to last forever
    You know they never will
    You know they never will
    And the patches make the goodbye harder still

    Oh very young
    What will you leave us this time
    There'll never be a better chance to change your mind
    And if you want this world to see a better day
    Will you carry the words of love with you
    Will you ride the great white bird into heaven
    And though you want to last forever
    You know you never will
    You know you never will
    And the goodbye makes the journey harder still

    Oh very young
    What will you leave us this time
    You're only dancing on this earth for a short while
    Oh very young
    What will you leave us this time
     
  9. campbell34

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    Forgive me, but I'm not big into blind faith. If Christ want us to believe in Him based only on blind faith, He would of never told us to seek Him with all our heart, mind, and soul. God has revealed Himself to me in many supernatural ways, I have a much closer relationship with Jesus Christ because of this. And if you ever wonder why the Christian church is so dead, it is because it is filled with people who believe only in blind faith, which has limited their relationship with God.
    The evidence for much of the Bible is being found today by researchers and Christians, and stands as a powerful testimony to the truth of Gods Word. The world still has a choice to choose God, but they nolonger can say there is no evidence for a biblical belief. The extra Biblical evidence they are now uncovering only makes living for God all the more exciting. And I would point out, that if God did not want us to find this evidence, He would of removed it long ago.
     
  10. campbell34

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    The Bible goes into great detail telling you that God is telling Moses when to move, what to do, they have told you that Pharoahs army was blocked by a pillar of fire, these are not fabrications, but goes to great pains to give you the details, and the truth. You simply deny that truth. The Bible equally tells you what will happen at the end of time. The Bible tells you just before Christ returns to our world the Jews will return to Israel. The Jews will retake Jerusalem. The Jews will be surrounded by enemies. Jerusalems East Gate will remain sealed until the Prince to come returns and opens it. The Bible simply tells the truth. The problem comes in, when you simply reject that truth, even though it is all true.
     
  11. Burn

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    I don't see what the detail has to do with what I said, considering every word cannot be proven. I don't deny anything that's discovered today as fact, but I do not see how it validifies one opinion about it over another.
     
  12. HippieLngstckng

    HippieLngstckng Bringer of DOOM!!!

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    Yes, I have. My pastor has preached on both things well before I was a member of HipForums, inciting me to check into these happenings myself. It's definitely facinating to find things that strengthen my faith! But evidence for absolute truths and evidence to "keep the faith" are a bit different.

    Dear Sir,

    You needn't apologize because you're not big on blind faith. I don't think that I know of anyone who is. Regardless, the evidence we find in support of the historical happenings of the Bible require blind faith to apply them in support of our faith. Evidence of historical happenings is not equal to evidence confirming the absolute truth of G-d.

    Indeed, G-d allows this evidence to exist to strengthen our faith, and perhaps persuade unbelievers, yet it cannot be used to claim that G-d is an absolute. As I stated previously, there are artifacts and what-not from other religions as well, yet they do not prove the absolute validity of the religion. Please try to understand what I'm saying... I agree that these things strengthen our faith, and I agree that evidence of historical accuracy is a good argument against those who would tell us that our faith is all for naught, but it is not an absolute that we can impose on others and claim them blind for not seeing.

    Even if we find the Ark of the Covenant, that's proof of the history of the Jews, but it isn't proof of G-d's absolute power, unless something extraordinary occurs when we try to pry it open. Like that Indiana Jones flick, eh? ;)
     
  13. IntenseHeat

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    I though Blind Faith was a Album .
    Blind Faith
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  14. JesusDiedForU

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    Following the Bible does require faith, yes. However, it does not have to require blind faith. Blind faith is simply faith without evidence. The Bible has prophetic, archaeological, scientifical evidence and on top of that historical accuracy. If you do not call these things evidence, then what is?
     
  15. JesusDiedForU

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    Did I only say archaeological evidence? NO... "Bible has prophetic, archaeological, scientifical evidence and on top of that historical accuracy."

    Here is a prophecy for example, Ezekiel 44 states that the Eastern gate in Jerusalem would be sealed and when it is sealed it would not be re-opened until the messiah comes and walks through it.

    Ezekiel wrote that around 500 B.C. and about 2000 years later it was sealed by a muslim king. Today, after almost 500 years it still remains sealed just as God said it would be. Most people would call that an amazing coincidence; I call it a God incendence!

    [​IMG]

    The gate still stands and so does my faith!
     
  16. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Scientifical...that's cute [​IMG]


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    JD4U, you remind me of the guys I went to school with. I know you are at a christian university right now, did you go to a christian high-school too? What university are you at now? I was a stones-throw away from going to BJU (which is the university they pushed all the kids at my school to go to).
     
  17. Becknudefck

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    the world will end on December 23, 2012.
     
  18. JesusDiedForU

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    First of all, I went to a public school basically (except 5 and 6 grade where ironically I went to a Baptist school) my whole life (including high school that had 3300 people in it). I was one of about 10-15 Christians out of the whole school and had to defend my faith quite often.

    Second, as my family does have some Baptist roots, I believe demonminations are a waste of time. They just add more stuff to the Bible that should not be added. My family on my mother's side is very active in a Baptist church and does support BJU also. I tell you what though, BJU is garbage and if anything they will turn people away from the amazing grace that the Lord has given us. The extreme rules BJU enforces is like they erased the New Covanent and went back to the old. Legalism is the destruction of the Baptist church and many other denominations. How did your Baptist school inspire you? Please don't let your school give you the wrong picture of what Christianity is about. Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Yes science... God can do some crazy things can't He: )
     
  19. HippieLngstckng

    HippieLngstckng Bringer of DOOM!!!

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    Okay, I have to go with Fuzzy here. Again. LOL!

    I'm not sure what I'm not expressing properly, but historical events and actual proof of G-d's involvement are two completely different things. Okay, burnt mountain. Prove that G-d burned it. You can't? You don't *know* how it happened? You believe it's G-d? Okay. The word "belief" enters the picture.

    People can believe a lot of things that are false. Do I believe G-d isn't real? NO! Why? Because I'm not foolish enough to hold a belief that I don't think is true. That's completely contradictory. To "believe" something is to "think" it is true. That is our opinion on the matter. What are opinions? Can opinions be true or false? NO! Lest we all be forced to agree with the dumbass that writes for the Commentary section of the local rag. Just because somebody can express an opinion doesn't make it an absolute that everyone must be governed by.

    G-d help us if it ever comes to that.
     
  20. campbell34

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    Actually, I'm not suprised that you would side with Fuzzy, I believe you have more in common with him, especially because he is a non believer. And I would say, if your pastor had actually talked about Mount Sinia, you would of realized, theres much more there, than a burnt Mountain Top. Every land mark the Bible describes will be found there, including the mountains boundry markers, and the 40 foot stone altar at the base of the mountain. And 12 other land marks. Near the mountain is the Red Sea Crossing Site, where the two pilliars of Solomen mark the site, and the pillars Have Solomen's name carved in them. These pillars were also spoken of in the Bible. Between the pillars they are finding the coral incrusted remains of the Egyptian army. Also at the site they have found ancient Sinaitic writings chisled in granit, giving an extra Biblical account of what happen there. And this account though worded differently, mirrors the story found in the Bible. I believe this is the Mountain, because the EVIDENCE clearly confirms the Biblical account, and is so obvious.
     

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