The ID card bill is back

I was being sarcastic.

If they have the technology and ability to do such a thing they would also have the technology and ability to do everything you mentioned... May not be simple, but neither is placing a chip under someones skin for ID purpouses.

 

I'm a little confused here, what exactly is so bad about the ID cards?
are we not taking big brother syndrome a bit too far here?
The super creepy man living across the street knows where i live, but I wouldnt tell a non creepy looking person on the train my address, does it really matter if people know where we are?
I live in acountry where theyre used but no compulsary, mostly because Passport copies are used (as well ascopies of visas) since 87% of the population isnt UAE national, if we all had them it would make everything a hellova lot easier.
Only thing that worries me is if we rely so heavily on the use of a credit card sized piece of paper with an awful passport photo, are we not making identity theft easier? regardless of their "a new criminal offence of being in possession of false identity documents".
I dont like the hassle of geting one tough...but how many of you who oppose the bill have a passport?...the difference?

bring on the rants

 

What look harmless now it well backfire in a very near future.

 

A driver license or a state I.D wish many state allready have is enough. But i dont like the fucking idea for us to carry a card on all the time besides the allready mention. And god forbid having cops demanding a I.D every 5 blocks. You be better off living in Germany back in 1939.

 

Your a perfect specimen for the goverment

 

I am brought into this earth to live, I dont need people to q.s my idendity, or ask for what im doing here or even see if I have a work permit or not.

 

Centralisation of data and the fact that it's compulsory.

 

like this

 

And also the fact that passport data is very limited (photo, age, name) whereas the proposed cards could eventually contain genetic data, account details, financial details and anything the government want to know about you, to be uised for any porpouse they like, any function they like, and can pass this information on to any third party they like. Dubious, is it not?

 

does anyone honestly believe that the government cant extract that information as and when they want it?

 

I hoped you was being sarcastic. The goverment would not bother anyway, because why would they need information or 'track' a baby (not that it is realy about tracking people big brother style). Up untill your a reasonable age or your information is likely to help in all the areas deemed vital for this scheme.. you will not be bothered or you life intruded in anyway. Even after 99.9% of people will not be bothered in anyway shape or form..keep in mind the goverment cares little for you realy .

 

This was all gone through before on the other thread about this. It's a subtle but important shift - previously all this information was held seperately by the different organisations involved (if we chose to give it to them) in order for them to be able to provide services to us. The new plan is to centralise all the data being held (and compel us to provide it) into one database with the explicit goal of the state being able to register and track its citizens.

It shifts the balance from a state which is answerable to us towards one in which we are answerable to the state. It is a subtle distinction and one which many people either don't understand or think it's unimportant because on a practical basis it will make little difference. But it is nonetheless an important change which relates fundamentally to how you are regarded as an individual in relation to the state.

 

WE DONT GIVE A DAM ABOUT THE BRITISH GOVERMENT THEY ALLREADY STRIP YOUR ASS OF YOUR PRIVATELY OWN GUNS.

 

You mean because we don't carry hand guns in our cars or under our pillows and claim because of a constitutional right to bare arms... 'you' can blast away like friggin hillbillies at anything and everything.. Having one of the highest hand gun death statistics in the world, would not make me proud at all. I am glad my goverment tries its hardest to keep guns out of my hands... if i wish to shoot a gun i can join a club thanks.

I don't know what this has to do with I.D cards

 

He's just a troll, matthew. Ignore him.

 

I would protest if they tried to take away my right to wear a t-shirt

 

Others mite think differently, but im not brainwashed enough to beleive that.
Even knowing that the Government would be able to track information about me would certainly bother me enough to question it althou I would have nothing to hide.

And how can you be so certain? Your talking like your the "one" who came up with the ID card idea. Do you really know what the government is thinking? or what their aim is? Their reason is "to protect people from terrorists and fraud", hmm... I think theres much much more serious issues they need to worry about.
How can a man living in a big high life house protected by many security guards and cameras really know about the life and what people have to put up with.

Their just trying to cover many mistakes they are making about the way things are right now that they have to come up with new ideas to try and show people "Were here to help you" by covering so many other problems.

 

I apologise for my 'rightious' style of writing thats just me and my big head. I might drift that way in this post, it realy is my humble opinion.

'Terrorism and fraud' are big issues i am not realy swung by the terrorism debate to be honest. I am won over with the fraud element. I believe the goverment have had to answer the cynics and alter the thrust of the arguement in many diffrent ways to win us all over (not that it is working).

I would imagine someone living within No.10 and his other residence knows what it is like to live in the real world, because he did once upon a time. Also its not realy him sitting down thinking how he can take away all our liberties etc etc etc thats the arguement given by the critics. This has been 'dreamed up' by looking at other nations the enevitable changes in our passport system and the thinking 'it is about time'. I respect the libertarian POV but they may also conversly prefer 'open borders', a friendly handshake as anyone and everyone (no i don't believe in limits or quotas etc just you need who is who what is what and why) turns upwith a suitcase. They may also want us all living barefoot in a commune all living off the land, smoking skunk weed (you know the unnatural kind that is 10 times stronger than the norm' and could send you crazy)...I am of course am being a little silly there but the people who do not like the idea of I.D cards also come up with some strange arguements. Thats realy the reason i said 99.9% won't be bothered and the goverment does not care about you, because the dull reality is we won't be bothered it is realy just like a new 'doomsday book' or something. The goverment can take you off the streets and do whatever they want if they wanted right now, it realy is not about 'tracking' everyone form birth because there is no point. Fundementaly they are just protecting the economy and we are all just parts of that system.

 

The government should not be able to do that. In other words, not be able to "control" you like a puppet. And the ID card system will be the start of it, but in my opinion were already too deep in to climb back out and I think its about time people started to stick up for them selfs and their beleifs about how their lifes and the future of the next generation instead of allowing the goverment to lead their lifes and tell them what their future will be.

You just said it yourself, maybe even without realising. They are protecting "their economy" and we are part of "their sytem".

 

terrorism maybe an issue, but I think the terrorism the goverment need to worry about is right infront of them among their people. Like gun crimes, robberys, murders... Thats the terrorism they need to worry about, not about suicide bombs which kill maybe about 11 people per attack whereas gun crime among teenagers and gangs are killing 100's weekly. The government knows the issues they need to worry about, but we dont thats because they hide it from people like you and me hoping that we dont realise how bad things are getting and blame it on a religious man fighting for his peoples freedom and beleifs. Im not surprised there are terrorist attacks happening, but you cant blame the so called "terrorists" because thats the only way they can get their point accross to the Concrete headed "leaders" who are in no better situation than the "terrorists".