The intelligence of the genre

Couldn't have said it better myself. Cheers! :cheers2:

 

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Try not to let him get to you man. You're better than that, and you know it. This was what zillagod wanted: to see people's reactions to his views on music. He would interpret any hostile outburst he sees from other posters as being a confirmation of some sort for his initial post. In other words, the more aggressive you become the more pleasure he gets from it.

Now, you and I both know he's the one being ignorant around here and not us. But instead of regarding him as being an asshole, think of him as being a miserable human being who is too caught up in his own little idea about what music "should" be, someone who could only feel secure by denying the musical quality of the genres he isn't fond of.

Think of it this way; the more he speaks in regards to this matter, the more evident his ignorance will be. Those of us opposing his views don't have to do so in anger, we can easily do so peacefully while never wiping a smile off our faces.

 

Yeah the more different kinds of music there is the more interesting music is in general. There should be way more different genres of music, thats what i find disappointing.

 

You had this correct up until your last sentence of In other words..... Yes, I had the feeling that some might get hostile about my post. I mentioned that right off. But I also knew that anyone who would get hostile over such a post would do so because they were offended in some way, even though I made my post a very generalization and included many different folks, including myself. As for your last sentence, does seeing others who get angry give me pleasure? No, but it doesnt bother me either.

Interesting how you think you can know a person from a single forum post. Its obvious you didnt read the post carefully enough, or you would notice that I included myself in most of the genres as well, just not crap, I mean rap.

Interesting statement, and I could say the same in return, but I wont. I do agree that anger should not be included here.

And as for Mr Yesnid, oh sorry, I guess that is PITS(still cant get yesnid out of my mind, that was a proof positive, lol), maybe you oughtta take a chill pill. Dont let a single post offend you so much. I guess you are on the wrong side of my post. But be civil, no need for name calling and all the hostilities. But then again, maybe it is the Intelligence of the Genre, lol.

 

hahaha the fact that I got a fact about disney spelled backwards wrong is positive proof of what? That I can't remember EVERYTHING i've learned? Out of everything I've said, that's what proves im dumb? It's a useless fact. So that shows i'm dumb but the shit you say doesn't show anything about your character, and that we don't "know" you because of some posts by you? Dude you made racists remarks about blacks and mexicans (I can judge well enough off of that) but then you went to even make an ever bigger fool of yourself with your generalization of people and music genres. And it's funny how YOU can judge someone off 1 post. Especially an "interesting" detail about something to do with Disney.

 

Thanks for the advice Alternative Thinker, even though I normally follow that advice. I'm done on this thread dude.

 

Alright, I believe I could either let this thread be and move on, or I try to clarify some of the things that I said in my last post. As much as I wish to drop this whole thing because it's most likely a waste of my time and energy, I also don't like the idea of giving people the impression that I'm ignorant. So allow me...

Well, that's how YOU feel when you listen to rap. Which is fine. However, what makes this statement a display of ignorance is that, number one, you're assuming other people who listen to rap are angry with life. And number two, you've come to your own conclusion that rap isn't music, and stating as though it is a fact. How do you know it isn't music? Have you ever written a rap song? Do you know what it takes to create each part, each rhythm section, that a rap song is made up of? Have you ever tried to rap over a beat? What do you base your statement on?

I've already voiced my opinion on the 2nd page in regards to this statement.

Again, this is nothing more than your personal opinion. EVERY genre has the best singers, you can't possibly narrow it down to just one genre. Sarah Brightman is a fantastic non-country singer, and so is Mark Boals.

What is "best", anyway? Again, everyone has their own interpretation of what "best" is. Someone who doesn't like country but swears that Pavarotti was the best singer ever would certainly have a difficult time accepting your statement especially considering how you presented it. Don't get me wrong, I think country has some incredible singers. But the same can be said about the other genres as well. Why the need to be so definitive and exclusive about the best being country singers?

Again, what determines the quality of a singer? Doesn't Buddy Guy's being totally confident on stage even when he breaks a string on his guitar, SINGING about the very incident on the spot, indicate he in fact is a marvelous singer?

Now, here's where I actually agree with you. You're right, jazz IS about the quality of the music. But I also believe this to be the case with ALL OTHER genres as well.

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Once again, all this is your personal opinion, isn't it? Why do you have to make it sound as though these things are solid facts? You keep saying country is all about the singers, but what about the musicians? If it weren't for those fine musicians, their records wouldn't sound like they do. Again, this also applies to all other genres as well. Just because the main spotlight is on one figure doesn't mean the rest is less important.

I repeat, this your PERSONAL opinion as you yourself stated at the start of this very paragraph. But where is respect that some of these genres deserve? "Rap is crap"? If you don't like the genre, then that's fine. But there are dedicated musicians who work very hard to make these rap albums. There are rappers working very hard to get better at what they do. It may be crap to you, but there's a lot of effort that gets put into it.

The whole southerners and the inbreeding thing, I'm just going to take that as a joke, not a very good one at all, but the alternative would be to bust into a discussion that has nothing to do with music. I don't think that's called for.

At any rate, who are you to decide what kind of music is for certain people? Why not simply regard music as a whole? People can argue about music until the end of this world, but at the end of the day it's all music and all musicians have one thing in common: to create great music. Music is music, and good music is good music. I'll admit there are some things I don't find to be my cup of tea, but I still think there is something special about them even though I personally don't like them. Just because I don't like them doesn't necessarily make them bad in the ultimate sense.

One thing.. I DO apologize for falsely assuming you might take pleasure in seeing people react negatively to your post. I realize I was a tad out of line there.

 

What I wanna know is how do you equate rap with angry people. Maybe certain genres of metal I can see, but rap has aside from the odd social/political commentary has always generally been party music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih1OKtOeYPg
This is really angry

 

If you thought rap is music for angry people :cheers2::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AbbnwHOMII&feature=related

 

I don’t think it’s fair to judge music by genres. In every possible genre mediocrities utterly outweigh good musicians in number, so it is not difficult to deride all genres, not only rap and country.

In fact, only personalities matter. As for the genres, they are now mostly concerned with the marketing bustle of big record companies.

 

Its not judging music by genres, but the listeners of that music.

 

Dude, the listeners certainly choose the musicians, not the crowds called genres!

 

I dont follow your point here. A genre is a category of the music itself, such as jazz, rock, crap(ooops, I mean rap) etc. This post talks of the people who listen to that certain genre. And from what I see, the people so far who have put up the most stink are crap lovers(ooops, I mean rap lovers)

 

Here is a funny that happened yesterday. Guy drivin and bee bopin to that crap-rap, had his music so loud while drivin and going through an intersection that he didnt even hear the police car with his siren on coming from the oposing direction in the intersection, and whammo, an accident. Wonder what he will be cited for, definitely driving while stoooopid. Might even be cited for obstuction of an officer, hindering an investigation, and possibly a few other charges. Some of these idiots drive by with their crap, I mean rap so loud it shakes the windows of the house. Music? All it is is a bass line of a couple of notes. It aint music. And these idiot drivers have it so loud, that they are a hinderence to others on the road.

And what gets me, is when these vehicles have it so loud, the bass just vibrates everything on the vehicle(the hood, the trunk) and it sounds even more crappy than the crap itself.

 

You already got slayed by nearly everyone man, can't you give it a rest? And I agree for the most part, people who blast their music so loud are dumb in a way because it's rude and their hearing is most likely fucked. But your still an idiot-ignorant-racist piece of shit (most gentle way I could put it). It's plain to see that because you don't respond to anyones reply that lights your ass up. You have no facts to back any of the shit you say. There are millions of rap fans out there and I can say with certainty that not even 15% are donned "angry". So instead you bump this thread that already failed with an "example" of what you already said. But you failed again. You may not like rap but your still an angry, hateful, and once again, RACIST. Get a life 43 year old, and stop acting like anyone with different tastes in music owes you something. Your no smarter or wiser because of your age... sadly.

 

All these categories are so blurred and interweaving that it wouldn’t be far from the truth to say that they don’t contain any real essence. You are so happy with the expression of your hatred towards rap that it makes me smile, but consider that at least elements of it are practically everywhere, and besides, rap has its origins in the Jamaican dub, a very inventive genre. Rap – crap, dub – what?

If, say, I love Thelonious Monk, that doesn’t mean I have to listen to all jazzy bullshit of the 50s and 60s. No way. And no matter how fond I am of Scriabin, I wouldn’t give a shit about countless tedious composers of the 19th century. Monk and Scriabin had the essence, jazz and classical music, as the whole, – no.

Well, Zillagod, there have been so many oafs stopped by the police terribly drunk with stacks of classic rock albums in the CD changers that your rap story is nothing more than a drop (drap) in an ocean

 

Why do you keep saying 43 year old? My computer says 45. Either get glasses or update your pooter, as it clearly states I am 45 here. That besides the point, I bet you are a crap, I mean rap fan

And again, no need for the hostilities. I aint hostile towards anyone, and neither should you be.

 

But this guy wasnt drunk, wasnt under the influence of anything except stooooopidity, as he wanted everyone in the world to hear his bass thumping. Intelligence of the genre I say.

 

Whoever doesn't at least respect a genre for what it is, instead of just not like listening to it, is ignorant and racist. I don't like country music but i don't make fun of people for listening to it because i understand how somebody could like it because i'm not a closed minded nack.