The jews are almost all gone

Discussion in 'Judaism' started by Green, Aug 12, 2005.

  1. heron

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    Thanks man, you exposed me to some things i didnt know about Judaism.

    Its appreciated.
     
  2. StonerBill

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    the only reason jews arent turning into mutants is because theyve spread. otehrwise theyd just keep interbreeding.
    or maybe its too late

    but really, with people so uptight about marrying in their religion, its no wonder that their population levels would be obscure
     
  3. the dauer

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    The population levels are low because of two reasons:

    1. Jews have been persecuted a little bit.

    2. Judaism does not proselytize.

    In fact, the DNA studies suggest that the early Jewish communities to begin to spread out, were predominantly Jewish men and non-Jewish women. This is not a problem because while Judaism doesn't proselytize, it does allow conversion.

    Dauer
     
  4. pabloman

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    I used to have a Jewish girlfriend.
    Her name was Kelly Klein and she is LONG GONE :(
     
  5. the dauer

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    My zaide, my grandfather, told me a story, and I don't know if it's true because he sometimes does make up stories, about the Jews of Scotland. Growing up he had lived in London and then after a bombing during WWII he lived in Leeds. There was some sort of UK-wide Jewish youth gathering that he would go to. And he said the Jews of Scotland would dress Scottish (as he said would the Jews from each of the different places in the UK dress like the region they were from), were demanding to be recognized as the McCohen Clan, I think that's the name. But this request was denied. I think he said they had designed all the symbology to go with the clan also according to this story. Then again, he could have made the whole thing up just to tell a story. That was a long time ago, anyway.

    Dauer
     
  6. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    Obviously seamonster is Jewish, and he will not be going back to Israel.

    There goes that prophecy. ;)
     
  7. hippypaul

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    I agree with Heron - glad to learn new things - Thank You
     
  8. JesusDiedForU

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    Under the future circumstances Seamonster may even go to Israel. But the prophecy is not saying that every single Jew must return to Israel but MOST Jews will.
     
  9. the dauer

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    I won't. Nor will any of my family, including extended family. Not just because of the violence there. Most of my family isn't particularly observant, and this is true for many many Jews. Jesus D, I think you're wrong on this one. Just surveying the contemporary Jewish landscape. I will visit Israel hopefully through the Birthright program. My cousin did that. But that's about it.

    Dauer
     
  10. JesusDiedForU

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    You simply do not knwo the prophecies then...
     
  11. the dauer

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    I don't think knowing prophecies is going to motivate most people. Firstly, in Judaism a negative prophecy doesn't have to come true. It could happen in a different way. So if the prophecy you're speaking of is in some way negative, Judaism would see it as a type of warning that could be avoided. Second, many many Jews reject prophecy in whole or in part, including myself, in my case in whole according to the "Judeo-Christian" definition of augury. That's not necessarily a Jewish definition, or even a Christian one, but that seems to be the "Judeo-Christian" definition. I don't like that word.

    How would being aware of a prophecy I don't believe in encourage me to go to Israel? Are you talking about a particular prophecy about the ingathering of the Jewish people? Which one? And why would knowing about it effect someone who doesn't believe in it?

    Dauer
     
  12. drumminmama

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    your Zaidy sounds like a hoot!
     
  13. JesusDiedForU

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    The prophecy will not encourage a Jew to go to Israel but the circumstances that the prophecies decribe will. There will rumors and threats of nuclear war on America and will cause most to flee to their own land.

    Because of the sword of the oppressor
    let everyone return to his own people,
    let everyone flee to his own land.


    -Jeremiah 50:16

    But I will bring Israel back to his own pasture.

    -Jeremiah 50:19

    For Israel and Judah have not been forsaken
    by their God, the LORD Almighty,
    though their land is full of guilt
    before the Holy One of Israel.

    "Flee from Babylon!
    Run for your lives
    !
    Do not be destroyed because of her sins.
    It is time for the LORD's vengeance;
    he will pay her what she deserves.


    -Jeremiah 51:6


    "Come out of her, my people!
    Run for your lives!
    Run from the fierce anger of the LORD
    .

    Do not lose heart or be afraid
    when rumors are heard in the land;
    one rumor comes this year, another the next
    ,
    rumors of violence in the land
    and of ruler against ruler


    -Jeremiah 51:45-46
     
  14. the dauer

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    Jeremiah was alive during the time of Josiah. I wonder if he wrote all of this around the destruction of Jerusalem... Much more likely he's babbling to the people of his own time than people of the distant future.

    Drummin,

    indeed he is.
     
  15. JesusDiedForU

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    Is Babylon Jerusalem? If so, when was Jerusalem destroyed in one hours time?
     
  16. drumminmama

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    (edited to be nice)
    Babylon is what is now Iraq.
    (A rabbi I met this summer was the man who danced a Torah scroll in Saddam's Palace. It was a Balvi.)
    destruction of Jerusalem tends to mean the Temple at Jerusalem
     
  17. the dauer

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    The babylonians conquered Judah for a time and exiled many of the Jewish people to other lands. They were a super power, like the assyrians before them. Judah was overtaken by them for a time, and then became its own after a while. Read here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity_of_Judah
     
  18. JesusDiedForU

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    The Babylon talked about in Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Revelation 18 is not ancient Babylon located in modern day Iraq.
     
  19. JesusDiedForU

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    There must be quite a number of Jews living in Babylon because God gives them dirrection to "Flee Babylon" so they are not caught in the destruction.
     
  20. the dauer

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    They were living in Babylon. Judah was in the Babylonian Empire at the time. Babylon contained them. Did you read the link I gave you?
     

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