The jews are almost all gone

I read your link and it did not even mention Jeremiah 50 and 51. The Babylon of these chapters is a future one... that is why it is also spoken of in the book of Revelation... (the following is from a paper I wrote last year)

“Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!” (Rev. 18:2). Revelation and various other chapters in the Bible picture one of the most powerful and wealthiest empires on earth. The Bible states that Babylon is destroyed by a nation from the north and will never be inhabited again. Babylon is an empire that is huge in manufacturing and is so important for trading that merchants will say when she is gone, “no one will buy our goods anymore” (Rev.18:11). From the literal view, one may think that the ancient Babylon, is the Babylon described in the in these chapters. However, this is not the case for ancient Babylon because it was never destroyed and people still occupy it. Overall, old Babylon and future Babylon are described differently.

 

you mean to tell me my asian jew buddy and his adopted family are going to pick up and go back to israel?

 

what is in christianity for americans, if were just sinners, from which the jews must flee?

 

Well over the majority of the Jews will return to Israel out of America. Why? Because of a nuclear threat that will cause all nationalities to go to their homeland or somewhere out of the U.S. God stated that once the Jews were kicked out and scattered amonst the gentiles that He would return them to their land and they would all be regathered before He would return.

 

Stop thinking in the boundaries of men but rather in the boundaries of God... where there are no boundaries.

 

Do we Scots get to go back home too?

 

Jesus D, I didn't give that to you because it made a specific reference to those passages. I gave it to you because it explained the historical tumult. Just because a person says something that doesn't come true about a place doesn't mean that it will come true about some other place. I think most people would find that idea a little bit difficult to accept. He could also have been speaking in grandiose terms for the specific temporary benefit, that is comfort, of the people around him.

Dauer

 

The Babylon spoken of had not even came to existance when it was written about. For you see, the Babylon spoken of in Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Revelation 18 is described completely different than the ancient Babylon located today in Iraq. This Babylon is not acient Iraq nor modern day Iraq. However, Babylon is the name given to a future nation that is the land of mingled people that is rich, powerful, and the policeman of the world.

 

Wherever you feel safe outside of America

 

Jesus D,

Ancient Babylon was rich and powerful. It was a place of mixed people, because its tactic was to displace the people it conquered. And it policed all of the world that was relevant to Israel.

I want to give you a scenario. In this scenario I'm in New York. I'm standing on a soap box in Times Square. I'm saying, "America is a cesspool of filth. There is garbage everywhere. And nobody cares about anyone but themselves! This country is going down. It attacks the innocent. Woe to you, oh America. Your foundation is built on the corpses of the conquered, helpless natives. God will smite thee."

Now, I wasn't really talking about America in this scenario. I was talking about a future place. It doesn't exist yet. It won't exist for thousands of years. But when it does, everyone will know that this place is the real America, and it wasn't some other place that was called America.

Dauer

 

Chapter 4 – A Future Babylon in the Old Testament
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Babylon as a city and nation is perhaps the most mentioned gentile city/state/nation in the Bible. Only those cities in Israel, such as Jerusalem receive greater mention. There are approximately 359 direct references to the name Babylon in the Old Testament. Of these references, many are simply tied to historical accounts of events in past history. However, the 2 major prophets of the Old Testament, Isaiah and Jeremiah received from God information about a future Babylon yet to come. This future Babylon is separate and distinct from the Babylon of their day.

The message of the prophets is that a latter-day Babylon would arise that would carry on the ‘spirit’ of the old Babylon. Hence, these two prophets present significant data concerning the identity of the future Babylon and its destiny. The prophets explain what will happen to this later Babylon along with data on who will be involved, where it will take place, when and how, along with why it takes place. These two prophets account for more than 80 direct references to this future city/state/nation. 64 of those are found in 2 chapters of Jeremiah. Those chapters are chapters 50 and 51. Isaiah accounts for 2 dozen more in chapters 13, 14, 18 and 47.

These chapters provide a substantial insight into what happens to this latter-day Babylon of the future. There are "identification markers" to identify this city/state/nation. For us today, it is hard to realize that 2,500 years ago society was organized differently. In those days, society developed around the notion of city/state/nations. A major city controlled a region around itself thereby making the city a capital for that region. If the city was powerful enough, it might also make other nearby cities subject to its power and control thereby creating pseudo-colonies or vassal states so to speak. It was rare for a major city to become so dominant that it controlled whole continents or large regions of continents. But the city was the dominant feature in the way society organized. It was the capital of an ‘empire’ and seldom did it contain cities of rival size or power. Today, things are different. Nations in general have several if not many cities, especially large countries.

In this chapter we will explore the significant details surrounding this latter-day Babylon. We will explore the data to help us discover its identity, who are the antagonists, the events themselves, the results, and also why God causes these events to occur.

Jeremiah and Isaiah both report many characteristics that help us to recognize who this new Babylon is, if indeed we are living in the latter days of the prophetic timetable. In this chapter we will refer to these identifying characteristics as identification markers…(I.D. markers) and I.D. data points. We will focus on determining what nation of today fits the descriptions given by Isaiah and Jeremiah. We will also show linkage to the Apostle John’s description of this same Babylon in two chapters of his Revelation…Chapters 17 & 18.

In addition to determining the identity, we will attempt to identify who is involved in causing the destruction of this future Babylon. We will also explore the events themselves, and the descriptions of those events. We will also examine the results and present to you the facts as to why God orders the destruction of this future Babylon. As you read on, I believe you will find the results to be shocking and sobering all at the same time.

The future-Babylon prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah have over the centuries been misunderstood and misapplied. Until recently, many comment- ators considered many of the prophecies to have already occurred. It does seem that some of the predicted results do apply to the ancient Babylon. Those results speak of Babylon becoming a desert, where desert animals live and no man resides there. In reality, ancient Babylon—the city, has been deserted for nearly a thousand years. It did NOT occur in the manner described in the future prophecies! Furthermore, the old national empire of Babylon has remained inhabited by man, yet the prophecies speak of no habitation for the nation/state as well as the city. Additionally, the events in question indicate that the demise of this Babylon will occur in … one…that’s 1…1 hour. Yes, that is 60 minutes of time…for complete annihilation of not just a city but also a city/state/nation. That never occurred for ancient Babylon. She just slowly dissolved into nothingness. Therefore, the prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah are indeed still for the future and we will explain in detail just why this is so.

In addition to the mistaken view that the prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah were fulfilled already against ancient Babylon, there are those that believe that ancient Babylon will be rebuilt and receive final destruction as described by the prophets. This has been a recent popular theory. For a while many conservative prophecy scholars agreed on this…as Iraq and Saddam Hussein seemed to grow into a military power in the days before Desert Storm. How ironic it is that perhaps ancient Babylon’s attempted resurgence was stopped by the future Babylon, during the war in 1991. There are many problems with those views about a rebuilt Babylon. The biggest stumbling block that is so obvious, is that in future Babylon, most of the world’s Jews will be residing there. At the close of this century, and with the dawn of a new millenium just around the corner, a rebuilt Iraq is not going to be a logical place for most of the world’s Jews to immigrate to on their own. The Jewish aspect invalidates this recent popular theory still held by some conservative scholars. There are many more elements that destroy the notion of a rebuilt Babylon, but as you will see by the end of this book, Iraq could not fit most of the requirements for being the future Babylon.

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The Key Passages to be Examined with Brief Descriptions:

Jeremiah (Jer.) 50​

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verses 1-2: The announcement of destruction

verse 3: The details begin

verses 4-5: The timing for this future event in the prophetic timetable

verses 4-8: Regarding Jewish settlers in Babylon

verse 9: God’s announcement of judgment on Babylon

verses 9-10: More details

verse 11: Reasons for the judgment

verses 12-13: Results of the judgment

verses 14-16: Description of the destruction—the attack

verses 17-18: Prior Divine Judgments on Israel

verse 19: Israel restored to God’s favor

verse 20: Timing details again

verses 21-43: Babylon I.D. markers amid the descriptions

verses 44-46: Aftermath of Babylon’s demise

Jeremiah Chapter 51
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verses 1-5: God’s announcement of judgment against Babylon

verse 6: Warning to Jews in Babylon to evacuate that city/nation

verse 7: Reason for God’s indictment and judgment on Babylon

verse 8: Mercy is suggested and divine healing?

verse 9: Babylon rejects mercy and healing!

verses 9-10: Judgment reaffirmed

verse 11: Divine summons to go to war against Babylon

verses 12-58: Details of the judgment

v. 45…key phrase spoken by God… "Come out her, My people."

see also Revelation chapter 18:4; also Isaiah 48:20, Jer. 51:6

along with Jer. 50:8 & 28

v. 49…Babylon is determined to be responsible for Israel’s casualties

v. 53…key phrase… "even though Babylon should ascend into the heavens"

verses 59-64: Conclusion

Isaiah Chapter 13: Oracle against Babylon​

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verses 1-2: Announcement & Timing of Event

verse 3: The Executioners of Divine Judgment: "My Righteous Ones"

verses 4-22: Details of the Judgment

verses 4 - 8… The battle

verses 9 - 16… Resulting effects

verses 17 - 22… More effects

Isaiah Chapter 14: Israel Reacts to Babylon’s Demise​

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verses 4-21…give the details of the results/and reactions

Isaiah Chapter 18: The Timing of the Destruction ​

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verses 1, 2, 3, & 7: I.D. Markers about Babylon

Isaiah Chapter 47: Lament for Babylon
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verses 1-15: I.D. markers about Babylon’s identity

Isaiah Chapter 48: God’s advisory to Israel​

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verses 14 – 22: Warning to Jews

verse 20: Specific warning to Jews to "flee" or evacuate.

 

If the Babylon of these chapters is acient Babylon, then when was it destroyed in ONE hour's time and do people still inhabit it?

 

Because the prophets couldn't see the future. They were saying what they believed, or what they believed would be most helpful for the people to hear, about Babylon.

 

Then prophets weren't really prophets according to you. And you never answered my questions:

If the Babylon of these chapters is acient Babylon, then when was it destroyed in ONE hour's time and do people still inhabit it?

 

Prophets aren't really prophets to me, if by prophets you mean oracles.

My answer to your question is that it doesn't have to be. The words of Jeremiah don't have to be accurate, they don't have to come true. He's a man writing a book that gives us a feel for the history of the time, but is by no means a teller of exactly how things did or will happen.

Dauer

 

Yet Ezekiel predicted exactly how the Jews would return to Israel in detail. Could man predict the future, without error, alone?

 

maybe. why not?

 

The odds are highly doubtful especially when the event happens 2500 years down the road from when it was written.

 

Actually, the odds of a completely vague prediction miraculously coming true arent that bad..

 

See you didn't read my post well... You read it vaguely. I sad prophecies of the future IN DETAIL.