The Jews Return to Israel (1948), just a coincidence?

Why don't we compare the number of posts where I "slam" christians as compared to your crazy prophecy proving the bible posts that make you sound like the backwoods hick who thinks he was abducted by aliens.

It must be nice to be able to always absolve yourself from your actions. You get to act as crazy and judgemental as you want, you spout literalist BS and misinformation until even other christians around here want to differentiate themselves from your type of christianity; You get to live in complete denial and anyone who doesn't buy into your rediculous BS is just being led by "Satan"....it has nothing to do with the way you act at all...

Believe it or not, it was people like you who took the bible SOOOOO literally that inspired me to take a deeper, analytical and logical look into the religion that up until that point I had completetly bought into.

Just some advice, but the type of "attack" method you use, and giving out rediculous "proofs" any logical person can see right through, repells more people than it catches. Ever hear that you catch more flies with honey? Even the Christ of the Bible was at least a gentle, caring zealot.

 

Nostradomus made a drawing of the Earth wrapped in a giant web. He was obviously referring to the internet, right? I dont think so. Even seemingly uncanny predictions are far from prophecy.

 

Finally, someone got it right. Yes many people, even the 30 pecies of silver that Jesus was betrayed for. His birth place, the rejection of His own people, His death on the cross, ect, ect, ect. It's all there. And now we have the prophecies that are coming to pass reguarding the future.

 

The East Gate remains sealed for 400 years just like the Bible said it would. Literal fulfillment. Jews returning to Israel and control Jerusalem. Literal fulfillment. Jesus fulfills 300 prophecies. Literal fulfillment. So show me where none of this is true.

 

dont the jews reject jesus cuz he doesnt fulfill ALL of the prophecies about the son of god?

 

Nostradomus has nothing to do with Bible Prophecy. Looking at his prophecies is like watching amateur hour. And if Nostradomus had read his Bible, he would of know that the Bible states that the world hangs on nothing.

 

Sorry, it is a logical fallacy to use the bible to prove the bible.

Lots of these things are stories we don't even know for sure happened. Even the existance of Jesus Christ in history is debatable. The story may have just been written to go along with the rest of the book, since we can't even prove Judas or Jesus existed. So you can't really use that as a proof of the bible, or even of a prophecy being fufilled. It could all be myth.

 

Most Jews don't even believe the prophecies anymore. But the Bible states that near the time of the end God would reveal Himself to the Jews. It will be during a time when the northern nations try to destroy the Nation of Israel. The Jews will not be able to stop them, but the Bible states that God will step in and destroy this army. At that time, God states the Jews will see who He is. Check out Zec, chapter 12 O.T. Also Ezk. chapters 37,38,39. O.T.

 

way to change the subject.
i guess its best to ignore arguments you cant defend against

plus, you could say that the prophecy you mentioned has been fulfilled already, possibly a few times over. well, all parts except the end of times.

 

Well the return of the Jews is not a myth. Their control of Jerusalem is not a Myth. The buried Old East Gate with a new Gate built on top and sealed for 400 years is not a Myth. The fact that all attempts to break through the Gate have failed on both occasions just as the Bible said they would, is not a Myth. Israel being led by only one leader is not a Myth. The fact that Israel is nolonger two nations but one is not a Myth. The fact that many Jews now want their temple rebuilt as the Bible stated it would be, is not a Myth. The end time prophecies are literal and true. No logical fallacy, Just a clear denial of the facts by YOU.

 

Wow, the Jews want their temple built and they want to bring back their old glory? Who could have ever foreseen that? Amazing. Simply stunning.

By the way, I love how you say that you know that millions will burn in Hell for their rejection of Christ - what of those who simply have never heard of Christ?

 

Gods judgements are fair, and time will reveal who really loves Him. Yet the Bible clearly states that wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many there be that go in there at, but narrow is the way that leads to eternal life, and few their be that find it.

 

Oh, well that certainly sounds like the kind of God who is fair and full of love and forgiveness, and not at all like the kind of God that would be created by men to instill some kind of moral order among humans and give them a reason to adhere to it.

 

Years ago those who did not believe in the literal interptation of the Bible, said people were foolish for thinking that the Jews would ever return and rebuild their nation. Even Mark Twain who passed by Jerusalem stated, "Poor Jerusalem never to rise again." I'm sure those who went on before us would be shocked if they could see what was going on today. Only one race of people ever survived 2,000 years of exile, and returned and took back their land. And maybe that is why God choose the Jews.

 

What arguments are you talking about? Jesus Christ was not accepted by His people because the Old Testament stated that His own people would reject Him. Which they did, and thus fulfilled another one of the three hundred prophecies. The same prophecies He declared to the Jews and their religious leaders, and they would not believe Him. And that is when Jesus said of them, they have eyes and they cant see, and they have ears and they can't hear.

 

Like you are one to talk about denying facts...

And I truely don't deny any facts. I love facts. But we must have very different definitions of facts. For one thing, it isn't even a fact that christ existed. It definitely isn't a fact that god exists, and here is another fact: your bible says that no one knows when christ will return, not even christ himself. I am pretty sure that was considered important enough to put in the bible so that doomsayers like you wouldn't be screaming "The end is near!!" for the entire duration of christianity's existance.

Here is a (christian) article that puts to rest some of the fears stirred up by doomsdayers like campbell. And it specifically addresses Isreal:

http://www.harvestermission.org/messenger\199008.html

 

Of course people said it was foolish to believe that the Jews would have a chance to return and rebuild their nation - the power to carve out a new nation in the Holy Land did not exist until the aftermath of World War II. However, you've ignored my point, which is that it makes perfect sense for the Jews to _desire_ to return and rebuild their culture as it was of old. Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean you shouldn't want it.

And if God chose the Jews, why are you a Christian?

 

Oh, Phantom, Phantom. 'S all jus part o' the plan to get Jesus to comeback, so them christians can ditch tha rest of us loosers to be in heaven with god, while we(includin the jews) endure a rather long period of hardcore-shittyness.

 

Well Jesus stated that know one knows the day or the hour, which I AGREE. Yet, Jesus did stated that those who saw the nation of Israel reborn, that Generation would not pass away untill all of the scriptures would be fulfilled. THAT GENERATION WAS BORN, THE SAME YEAR ISRAEL WAS BORN, 1948. You say no one knows if Jesus existed, yet all the fulfilled prophecies that have happened in the past, and that are happening today you ignore. And you have to ignore them, because they point the finger right back to Christ. You make broad general statements, but you have no knowledge, and that is why you pass on web addresses. That's what you are all about. You can't verbalize what you believe, so you look up web addresses, and say here's what I believe. I'ts sad, when the only thing you can look to, is a web address.

 

Why don't you do a search for all my previous posts on this website before you try to tell me I can't verbalize what I believe. I am very outspoken regarding my beliefs.

The web article I posted was something for christians reading the thread so they have another christian's perspective of this whole Isreal thing (and doomsayers in general). I obviously couldn't, and shouldn't verbalize from that perspective since I am not a christian myself.

Seemed to hit a sore spot though, no? Since you're hassling me about a web link....kinda petty...