The Police

Ask the voters of Florida who watched the Supreme betray its entire raison d'etre - to uphold, protect and serve the protections enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights - by nullifying the right and proper scrutiny of the manipulated 2000 election (however many times and for however long required to ensure true and accurate accounting) and declaring (by fiat) the Shrub as victor.

Ask the GAO who confirmed yet again that the 2004 election was rigged through fraudulent electronic voting machine tabulations why the Feds have been more than happy to let the charade stand.

Face it Mike, the entire electoral system is a farce. It's a horse and pony show for the gullible masses to trot out every 2 and 4 years convinced that what they mark on a ballot or punch into a machine makes any difference to the predetermined outcomes already decided by an elite and powerfully influential monied few in advance. Everything else is just the glitz and glamour of made for television advertising segways.

The feds protect themselves and their own interests ALONE. They don't give a rat's ass about you, your next door neighbour, these boards or the rest of the vast majority of citizens, whom they regard as mere cattle.

 

The existance of faults do not eliminate the existance of benifits.

By the way, what alternative do you propose?

Opt out seems to be the best alternative. But that precludes the benifits of government.

 

Nobody.

 

Nice vague, clearly unresearched and all too expected evasive response there mike.

It's ok. you just continue believing that the Federal Government and its policies have any remote concern for your welfare and that the electoral system (in which 80% of all votes cast nationally are tabulated and "announced" to the gullible and ever deferential American public by two sole corporations owned by two brothers) is anything other than another in a long line of minority, elite, big money interest-serving frauds calculatingly drummed into the self-absorbed, tv-indoctrinated American public psyche.

Since generation after generation of the increasingly dumbed down unattentive majority have, like yourself, willfully chosen not to scrutinise the treasonous subversion of every founding precept and principle incrementally and systematically and perpetrated by those commonly believed to be deomocratically elected "representatives" of "we the people", you're in good company.

You want an alternative? I doubt you, like most, would risk your comfy suburban illusion to unite and rise up to do what is necessary to prevent the head on collision with tyranny toward which our nation is now more or less inexorably set.

Enjoy the wake up crash and best of luck to you and yours when it happens.

 

The city council, state and federal agencies police the local police.
Increase one level for state police.
Federal police (capitol police, FBI, etc.) are policed by the Judiciary Commitees of Congress (i.e. your elected representatives).

 

If by "rise up and do what is necessary" you mean violent revolution, you are right. Putting myself (and those who agree with me) in power through violence achieves nothing important.

 

Oh, I feel so much safer now.

 

Oh mike, youre naivete would be amusing if not for your alleged age. at 49 its downright lamentable.

The feds and the local "agencies" are the very insitutionalised and organised criminality which "the police" (at all levels) exist to protect and serve. They no more "police" the police than they care for protecting the rights of the general public.

Wake up time!

 

I have trouble calling the officers who came when some guy was beating on my neighbors door at 2AM "organized criminality". Same with the cops who took directed traffic while the paramedics cut that woman out of her wrecked car. Oh, yeah, the cops who came when my wife's dad was holding a gun to her 10 year old head count as heros in my book. (No, I didn't see it myself, I heard about it much later.)

Removing rose colored glasses does not require that one don black tinged contact lenses.

Just as people can cite examples to counter "police are good", I cite example to counter "police are bad."

Police are people, lumping them together is one mistake. Evaluating them to make a "good/bad" determination is also a mistake.

Judging people by what group they are in (cops, republicans, hippies, blacks) ignores the indivduality that each of us have.

Expecting either good or bad (or any other binary determination) to adiquatly describe something is to miss the richness of life that can't be reduced to either/or.

We need to see the totality, not just focus on one part. It seemed to me that emphasising the positive aspects of the police would bring this thread more in line with reality. The other option was to have a short thread consisting of cop bashing.

 

Yea, well around here, if you call the police for emergencies like that, it'll take 'em hours to show up, and then they're more likely to arrest the people that called them for disturbing their fucking-off activities at the local donut shop. And that's when they get paid, on the average, about $50,000 a year. If the city tries to fire them for not doing their job, the local AFL-CIO police union steps in to make sure they keep it. Real heroic.

 

Ah yes, more rose coloured singular examples to avoid recognition of a systemic reality. Let's ignore the innumerable cases of brutality, outright murder of unarmed citizens both in and out of actual custody, graft, systemic disregard for constitutional rights and the institutionalised impunity of those within the ranks who perpetrate these many betrayals both of the Constitution and the common public.

That doesn't even begin to touch upon the systematic and institutionalised policies of aggression against all who dare to organise, even peacefully, to decry the crimes of the supposed "representative" (which, in truth, only represents the elite interests of big money financiers) system. Nor does it touch upon the well documented analyses of denouncement against the long corrupted "justice" system.

Seems the only one who possesses either of the sorts of eyewear to which you refer above is yourself. Might do well to actually pause whilst alternating between them to open your eyes and see the truth.

Again a simplistic and naive sidestep from the concept under discussion.

"THE Police" is an institutional concept and in that sense "the police" exists to defend and serve - with coercion, violence, and all manner of anti-democratic and unConstitutional fervor - the perpetuation of a system which has long been engineered to profit an elite oligarchical minority at the expense of the otherwise easily distracted and essentially misinformed herd.

Get too organised and popular in any opposition to the state, however legitimately in accordance with Consitutional civic obligation, and watch how rapidly the system and the agents thereof which you gullibly defend move against you. If the local thugs fail, there is always the Federal thugs to follow and after them countless eager and willing psycopathic assassins who will happily put a bullet in your head to keep the control and money flowing to their taskmasters at the center.

But thats obviously well outside your cozy myopic suburban frame of reference (just as those profitting the most for generations have intended it to be). Ignorance truly is bliss.

 

Every government is a class dictatorship (until we live in classless society) and all tools of the state protect and defend it because this dictatorship gives the orders to the tools.

 

Clearly, you are to dealing with groups while I prefer to deal with individuals. Not seeing the individual and focusing on the group they belong to is one of the main causes of the problems you see.
I also suspect you are more interested in "fixing the world" than I am.

By the way, if those who "profit the most for generations" intend people to be "cozy", why should they be opposed? As you imply, cozy ain't bad. (I don't think that the Man intends anything for individuals. They intend to keep and increase their power. They are indifferent to other's happiness or misery.)

 

"The Police" happens to be a group, in case you didn't realize that.

 

Lead singer called Sting. Right?

 

Haha, very funny, I just can't stop laughing.