The Psychedelic Revolution

Every time I flush a toilet a baby is born. There MUST be some sort of correlation here

 

You.

 

?!?!!!

 

You are the correlation, every time.

 

I am not a constellation, thank you very much.

 

i say it, because the ultimate archetype functions also on the methods of push and pull, ebb and flow. the push being birth, and the pull being death -- that is, for the current point in time. why would something have a flow to begin with? well let's look at water(as profoundly enlightening as water can often serve to be) water flows to the ocean because it seeks to find it's level and to obey the laws of gravity which pull it down from the highest mountains and through streams, and then rivers, and back into the ocean. it flows, because there is an imbalance in the altitudes of the land which it is put upon, and it seeks to return to balance in the ocean where the altitude is level. the same kind of thing can be applied to birth and death. we are born, and we die, because we seek to return to harmony, and we are not at harmony.

well..

mhmmm indeed there is only one truth, and there is only one divine influence which can bring us to harmony.

i agree idealism without compromise is vile. but at the same time overcompromise is even more vile.

"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

wrong.

because we are born into suffering, and we die into suffering. if our spirits were truly pure then such things would not be within our realms of influence.

but ecstacy is not nearly as ecstatic when it is temporary. if things such as ecstacy and solitude and bliss were truly experienced they would not be ceasing. we are often disillusioned with the state of happiness that we receive, although it is a false sense because it is a fleeting joy.

well if you are content with the state of the earth then be my guest. but personally i will not entertain such abomination.

i wasn't saying that we defy our physical nature, i was saying that we often stray from the natural world around us. when really the natural world can serve as a guide to show us the mistakes that we are making. instead of living in equilibrium with the earth, we would destroy it.

 

Why is it that the existence of the world presents a problem for you?

 

Please eloborate. What utopian society was/is a complete success?

There you go again, assuming that suffering and spirituality or a pure spirit are mutually exclusive. Desos, lose the buddhist ideation. Suffering is just as valuable, educational, and needed as are all the warm fuzzy "good" things in life.

 

There isn't an imbalance, you only perceive it so because you are only considering one aspect of the picture. As water is flowing down into the ocean, elsewhere water is being taken away from the ocean. It isn't a cycle of constantly "fixing" imbalances, it's that the entire cycle is a perpetually harmonious balance, just like life and death.
"Balance" and "Harmony" are not static things. You don't occupy one state and consider yourself in harmony. Harmony only truly comes from a constant shifting and changing, the ebb is not harmony, the flow is not harmony, but TOGETHER, the nature of the ebb and the flow is harmony.

You do realize with this paragraph you are actually asking "why?". There is no reason or meaning, it's all just one huge LOL.

Ecstasy would be completely meaningless if it wasn't temporary.

The ironic thing is that your discontentment is actually the source of suffering itself.

Equilibrium such as.........birth and death?

 

..."the the irony is that it's all in your mind"...

 

because there are people that live in poverty, hungry to the point of exhaustion. because there are people that live in mental cages unable to tell the difference between their self and the world around them. because there are people who are suffering because their family left them when they were a small child. because there are people that would join a gang and shoot a pregnant woman dead. the list is endless... does this not seem problematic to you?

the ideas that are brought forth in some intentional communities are like part of the bigger picture. it fails because it is missing essential pieces to the puzzle. you can't build a temple if half of the pillars are missing. but just because people have tried to build the temple with only half of the pillars that are needed and then failed that does not mean that it is an impossible task. it means that you need the rest of the pillars in order to achieve sucess. it can happen. but i'd rather not elaborate on specific examples publicly.

suffering is there to teach us lessons and can be a very valuable tool, i agree. but what good is suffering if the lessons are already learnt, or the education already established, or the value already present? because that kind of suffering, is an excercise in futility -- repeating the same mistakes over and over is madness. there comes a time, when suffering becomes useless.

so then, if we are flowing down a mountain, what are we supposed to do? stand and marvel at the state in which we are perpetually being recreated, or flow down the mountain? of course, we are supposed to go down the mountain. because if we don't, then there might be some very severe consequences. maybe you could get stuck in a glacier somewhere. besides, there might be some kind of fantastic shift awaiting for you when you reach the sea again. maybe the forces that control the evaporation process could undergo some cataclysmic shift. we will never know until we reach there. because as far as i know, we have very limited knowledge about people actually dieing and then coming back to life.

how do you know that? have you experienced anything other than temorary ecstacy?

i was talking about the equilibrium of the state of our society as a whole not destroying the planet on which we live, which we are not doing.

that's exactly what i was talking about when i said that the psychedelic revolution has left the streets and entered our minds.

"The day has come when men's hearts turn from true love, they believe this will be commendable to freedom..."

 

No.

Nope. It also isn't necessary for me to have experienced so in order to understand.
What I have experienced is the nature of the human mind, and that is all the knowledge I need to make such a statement.

 

My take on all this --

Neodude is more grounded to earth. Desos can get a little buddhist and hippy, and we may like to give him shit for it, but honestly his goal is people actually fucking being benevolent to each other and doing what we can to not harm the earth, but roll with it. Are we really gonna flame that?

I think world peace is an excellent goal. Many of us already share the attitude of "let everyone do their thing - let's not harm each other." That WILL be the giant majority some day.

As for the ecstasy comment, very sure Desos was revering to the believe in feeling "joy," which knows no opposite and can be eternal.

That's all I got for now. No true "side picking" opinions yet...

 

No, it appears real.
In time theses things appear tragic. In eternity they do not occur at all.

 

He isn't being flamed. He's made statements and took a position that some members may disagree with, and now a discussion has occurred.

 

If we didn't like Desos we'd ignore him.
It's fun to engage in these mental jousting tournaments, but in the end each is entitled to their own viewpoint









.....even if it is totally WRONG!

 

i'm open to the idea of eternal ecstasy or "the joy with no opposite".

But if it's eternal then how come i'm not feeling it now?

 

Do you regard the world with equanimity?

 

because it's a lie

 

Balance is different than ecstasy isn't it?