Homeschool is the route I'm taking with mine.. Allow a child to be free, independant, to be themselves and learn at their own pace, no judgement, no punishment if they fall behind in class. School just divides people even further. And it annoys me when they say that school is setting kids up for the real world, its doing the opposite, kids leave school with no clue whats ahead of them, no people skills (think, the only people you socialise in school with is with people your own age, other kids).... I dislike public education and the schooling systems.
So what we have learned is that all public schools are bad and all home schooling is good. Math is useless even if we don't know if we may need it in the future, so likewise with every other subject because we never know what we will need to know in the future. The learning of math in no way trains our minds to think in logical patterns (math is the foundation of all logic), and problem solving techniques or to understand the statistics that are thrown around every day. And..who needs to know how that 401k is really doing that you all are going to be stuck with for your retirement? Don't need math for that. Oh, and "studdying the fish in the river" doesn't require any math skills at all. Biologist never use calculus, probability theory, statistics, linear algebra, abstract algebra, graph theory, combinatorics, algebraic geometry, topology, dynamical systems, differential equations or coding theory. The simple search I did in Google just made that up. Just take all the easy courses, don't force yourself to work too hard, who needs discipline and perseverance? If I were to hire someone I would definitely look for someone who had never taken a math course but choose easier classes as it would show that they have superior intellect as they can always be counted on to find the easiest solution to anything I would ever ask them to do. I strongly support home schooling as I am the only one who truly knows what is best for my children. With home schooling I can shield them from stupid subjects like math and science. I can teach them exclusively about my religion, values, and morality. No need to confuse them with the ideas of other cultures, races, religions, or individuals. And they don't have to associate with those outside of their social class, or learn to deal with the slings and arrows flung by their own age group. But I'm ranting..... And BTW, I hate math, but appreciate its worth.
If I had been homeschooled instead of going to public school I would have been even more socially awkward than I already am, that is for sure. As for people that think a class was worthless because they don't use the exact specific subject it was about, just remember that your brain was expanded and perhaps learning some principles that go beyond just the subject matter. It is good for all of us to exercise our brains and to be well rounded. My boyfriend had the same attitude about 'I won't ever use this so I won't bother' and he is really regretting it now that he is 30 and wants to be a fisheries biologist and has to start over completely. He definitely wishes he had taken those math classes and hadn't dropped out. You never know what you might or might not need in the future.
It's quite amusing that you keep saying: 'Odon will be here soon to defend...' - and then never come up with anything other than the complete opposite to what you think I'm going to say. You conform just as much as you think I do. Even more so, imho. Do you work? Do you pay taxes? Do you accumulate material items which ultimately mean nothing once you leave this earth? I imagine your answer will be 'yes' to them all. So what makes you think you are different? - that you do all these things but are not happy doing it? Well do something else then. Although, you can't even leave the bleedin' Hip Forums for a long period of time, can you? We are all products of 'schooling' of one form or another. I'll quite happily defend 'schooling'. What's the alternative? I imagine most of us went through public/state schools. And we all came out of it the other end - for better or worse. That's about as much as can be expected. If a person is the same when they are 20-30 etc as they were when they were 14-16...then I doubt they would be any different what ever 'schooling' they received. We all definitly should learn more on our own than what is taught to us by others. Just all those pre-college? Meagain Is this sarcasm?
I got a lot out of the public education system. I also came from a family that placed a lot of value on learning. I was encouraged to learn independently in addition to what I was taught in school. The problem with homeschooling is that the parents who are unlikely to encourage their children to get as much as they can out of public school are unlikely to have much to offer at home.. My cousin home schools and it works well for her because she's always been smart, creative, and a free thinker. I just don't think parents with mediocre minds would be able to teach their children to be anything but mediocre. How can an uneducated person be expected to educate another person ?
I don't think kids will be socially awkward if you are homeschool. It depends on the parent, and if the parent allow the kid to do things outside of the home. Their are tons of social things children can do and not be in the school. Their are all kinds of clubs, happening not during public hours, that public kids do. They can still play sports, they can still go to dances. Teach your children to walk with their chin up and have confidence. Tell them others will try and put them down, its part of life, you learn to ignore it, and go get the pussy. The only reason im glad i went through the public school is when i finally graduated, i was graduating with several friends, two who i met in 2nd grade, who i still talk to today. Of course thier are a dozen others, that i see every few years, and its great to see them, we grew up together, we went through some real shit together. Its all on the parent. A lot of parents are clueless as shit and drill the public education down the kids throat to the point where it ruins their lives. Its all on the parent.
yeah, but you rarely actually see homeschooled kids doing those things. it's just another thing that the parent has to make sure happens, and a lot of times they do fail at it. a lot of school sponsored activities do require that someone actually be a student at the school to participate. and it would be hard for a kid who knows nothing to join a school club and force his way into social groups of kids he doesn't know but who all know each other from school.
i wish i was homeschool from 1st through 6th grade. Then as soon as puberty was starting to kick in, my mom kick me out put me in public school.
i think a lot of you guys automatically assume the worse. maybe this is what schooling does, but i don't believe that it was designed to do this, or that this is the 'purpose' of schooling.
interesting thread i agree on everything you said. I'm now in my first year at high school and you must "learn" so many things you don't even care,this is why i always cheat at every test. I (almost) always get an positive only out of cheating. And when the teachers "test our knowledge" when you need to answer in front of a board i just write down the answers the teachers asks the students and just learn all of that and write down everything when the teachers gives us an summary of what we have just "learned" this is the easiest way to finish school if you ask me (also be nice to the teachers and it will double your chances of finishing the school believe me ) p.s: try to find some old tests from the previous years this makes things lots easier,also try to think as your teacher and ask your self what would i put in the test?
it is mostly on the parent, but i'd say there are other factors as well, such as geography. in a place with a healthy sense of community, with places for young people to meet, community centres, parks social activities etc, being home schooled means that you don't miss out on opportunities to socialise with people your own age, but with areas which don't have these things (and these days they are being shut down at alarming rates) school can be pretty essential in the social lives of children.
Oh i agree. A small town school, is far different than something in a deep city with the projects 4 miles away.
Schooling may not be for everyone but learning most certainly is. An education does not have to be defined by only schooling but a certain level of schooling is required to be educated in any field. We transpose skills that we learn or acquire and subjects that we never think we are applying to everyday we do without even being aware of it. I personally loved learning and I am thankful that I was able to choose a field that I love and have been fortunate in my choice of career.
I am sure it would be different if the homeschooled child lived in a city or in a neighborhood, but I lived out in the woods with absolutely no close neighbors so it would have been very difficult to form friendships if I had been isolated like that. Even the friends I made in school, it was like a 30 minute drive to get to their houses. I am certainly not saying that homeschooling is necessarily bad, but I am just saying that it wouldn't be right for everyone. People in other countries are willing to die for the privilege of going to school while we here are going on and on about how evil it is without realizing how lucky we are for the opportunities that it gives us to pursue our dreams.
I think school works for some and not for others, I personally hated school and had a bad experience not only with bullies but with teaching and just in general. And homeschooling does not always mean that a child wont learn everything that a public schooled child would, it is very easy to get the curriculum from the internet now and stay on track with what schools are teaching. I look at my child and can see how she learns already (she is nearing 2), at her age she is able to count, recite colours, identify many objects, she can identify some letters and numbers just by looking at them written down and I honestly believe she would thrive more in an environment where she is free to learn what she likes, able to visit places without the restrictions of school hours (library, swimming, musuems, farms etc) and she will be able to learn hands on and interactively, which schools dont do enough of (imo).. ultimately I will let her decide, she has friends already that she sees every week anyway, but if she tells me she wants to go to school then I'll enrol her. Child-led parenting is what I do anyway... But every child learns differently.