That depends in part on the STD situation. The negative impact of the AIDS/HIV panic of the mid-1980's lasted for at least ten years. Legal restrictions on abortion and birth control could also have a big impact. Ha! That's an idea so old that it became new again. How old are the main characters in Romeo and Juliet supposed to be? Puberty! I remember my grandmother telling me stories about people from her generation getting married at 14 and 15, because they were hot for love, had no access to birth control, and couldn't afford to risk (socially) getting pregnant before marriage. Such marriages without a parent signature were not allowed in NC at that time, so couples would run away in the middle of the night to wake up a justice of the peace or magistrate in one of the little towns along the SC border, where there was no such age restriction, and no waiting period. A bunch of tiny motels sprang up in those towns for one night honeymoons. What does seem to be new is the trend toward lots of girls in the 12-14 range doing blowjobs and hand jobs for multiple guys. My sister got into that at 15, and she seemed to be on the cutting edge of everything in her peer group. 1968? Not in the South! Even in the early '80's, people were careful about talking openly about such things. If a stranger asked about a sex party, they didn't get an answer until they answered a few probing questions designed to reveal exactly why they wanted to know. Everybody feared the wrath of the prudes.
Agreed. Like I said before, it's not that they're starting earlier, it's that they're racking up more experiences faster than generations before. Back in the day 4 may have been the female lifetime average. But today, by the time a girl reaches Uni she's probably already on number 3-4.
That's a bit of a logical fallacy though, I know a lot of couples who are exclusive and just have not gotten married, until they were much older. The ceremony of having a marriage or not doesn't necessarily imply the ratio of who is sowing their wild oats or not.
@ your last paragraph: Oh yeah, the south, true I have to give you that, the anti-counterculture movement was pretty strong over there. Still is to an extent. But now it seems that it's mostly the conservative politicians that are still stuck in that mindset, and the common day person over there are shifting beginning to be more liberally-conservative compared to the common man counterpart of decades before. But you'd be a better witness to that than I am. Oh yeah Romeo and Juliet scenarios, agreed and again this is why I have said what I said in the Age of Consent thread, but that's a bit of a different topic so I won't go into that. But yeah I think Romeo and Juliet were 14-15 in age in the play. Agreed, the sexual trends of tweens is a new and worrisome trend in my view. I blame processed foods, lack of good parenting, and pop culture and the advertising that comes with it. --- @xxaru, yeah but I still don't know many girls that have gone through 5 partners annually. I was exaggerating in the other post above but you got my main premise/point. What I see usually is serial monogamy, are girls who date 1-2 guys for 6 months to a year or longer. And they alternate maybe hitting #8, and if they go through a bad rut, they'll stay sexually sober for a while til they have their head on straight. Maybe you're seeing something different, I am going off of my personal ancedotal experiences.
Okay then, let's forget statistics and look at a personal observation. I've seen a drastic increase over the years in bars and clubs that cater to the 25-30 crowd. What do you think that means? I think it supports my theory.
How many partners have you been with? Well over a hundred. Is it an estimate or did you keep track? It's an estimate, but it is for sure greater than 100 If it is an estimate, when did you stop counting? When I was a sophomore in college after a couple of group encounters. I just never saw the need to count after that. Do you regret any of it? How many bad experiences did you have? I've never regretted any of the sex I've had. I've had quite a few less than great experiences, but I've never had one that I would erase from my life history. Do you sometimes question your lifestyle? Nope. How have you met most of your partners? I've met them through a couple of paths. I hooked up with a guy who was a member of a sex club and he arranged some group things for me, and then I spend a lot of time in lesbian clubs/bars where I've picked up women. I also meet quite a few couples through CL when I'm traveling. What is your sexual orientation? Bisexual How old are you? 25 Are you a swinger, cuckold/hotwifer, bull, john, sex worker etc.? I'm not a swinger using the conventional definition, but I will be at some point. Not a sex worker (though I have been paid for sexual performance before. Are you into bukkakes, group sex or gangbangs? I've had several threesomes, foursomes, moresomes, and been the center in five gangbangs. Are you in a relationship? Of what kind? How did you meet your partner(s)? I am not currently in a relationship. If you don't have a partner, do you wish you could have one? Do you feel empty sometimes? A few months ago I got out of a relationship with another woman, and I'll just say that right now I'm really enjoying being single. Do you have children? Negative. Are you low, middle, or upper income? Middle What are you politically? Liberal/Progressive What do you do to protect yourself against STDs and pregnancy? I'm on BC, and use condoms when a partner requests it. I also have myself tested rather frequently. Have you ever been at risk of violence from cruising for sex? Not really - not that I know of anyway. What was the best sex you've ever had? My first gangbang - it lasted over 6 hours and involved 18 people + me (16 guys and two women with strap-ons). How was the worst sex you've ever had? There is no single worst, but when it's been bad, it's almost always with a woman who's out for her first lez experience and either has no clue what she's doing or is so scared she just lies there with no reaction and doesn't reciprocate. Can you tell when you have sex with someone less experienced? Absolutely Do you prefer less experienced people or more? I prefer someone who's more experienced. What do you look for in a partner? If you mean from a purely sexual perspective, I look for someone who's sexually confident and comfortable in their own skin. What kind of sex acts did you discover as you became more experienced? Group sex, masochism How have you changed as a person since becoming sexually experienced? I believe I've become more self confident. When did you realize you were different from most of your friends, family, and coworkers? lol. I realized at an early age I was different from what I perceived most people (my age) to be and what I thought was "normal" sexually. So I've kind of always known. How important is sex to you in relation to other things in your life? It's important, but my life doesn't revolve around it or anything Would you die if you had to be monogamous? I wouldn't die, but I sure wouldn't like it. I do know I will never become involved in a relationship where I am required to be monogamous. What`s your favorite sex act? I love being sodomized. Are you sexy as fuck? I have to leave that determination to others, but I think I can work it pretty well.
Thank you so much for taking part in the thread. What do you mean "I will at some point." What's going to change?
I'll settle down with a partner and we'll participate in the lifestyle like you'd expect of a typical swinger couple. Right now, my life consists more of a series of random encounters than going to lifestyle parties and organized get-togethers or parties like you typically think of when you think of "swingers."
So, is that your ideal sort of relationship? If you don't mind me asking another question, would you like to get legally married to that partner? Also, would you consider having emotional attachments to more than one partner?
Pretty much. My current plan is to get married one day, yes. Probably not. While I'm not physically/sexually monogamous, I tend to be emotionally monogamous.
Touche. I don't go to the bar crowd as much cuz I usually don't find my type there. But I'm convinced casual sex is higher now than in the 50's and 60's.
After giving this some thought, I'd say I am different from many in respect to the things many people strive for, such as finding that one person to settle down with, getting married, starting a family, etc., I have no desire to do any of those things. So one could certainly argue that not wanting the family life that so many people are conditioned to strive for makes me different from most.
So, do you have any idea what you might do when you get older? I know that you can't know for sure, but surely you've thought about it. I really, really, REALLY didn't want to become the creepy old cat lady who scares the neighborhood children! And an old friend of mine used to say, "There's nothing more pathetic than an old whore who doesn't know when it's time to quit." :rofl: One nice thing about getting older is that single people your age no longer hope to have more kids.
That sounds mean. When I turn 55/60 I plan to get 2 sugar babies, 1 girl 1 boy or solicit prostitutes. That's if I don't get married, which I probably won't, as I tend to get tired of people.
I imagine there’d come a time when I’d start to retire from my lifestyle (much like yourself). At which point my priorities may change and a life partner (or dare I even say a wife ) may be what I desire. I’ve never been against the idea of marriage or relationships. I’d have no problem getting married tomorrow if it was to the right person. But I wouldn’t give up my lifestyle for anyone or anything, aside from my own health and well-being. Perhaps I'll retire to Italy and do like the Italiens do
here's the thing until 50 years ago you couldn't be sexually active without a real risk of pregnancy. As a result people had to choose sex partners that could help them raise kids. Of course there was prostitution but most people ended up marrying their sex partners. our entire culture was geared around this. behaviors, attitudes, taboos, literature, other entertainment reinforced the message that you got married and 'lived happily ever after'. of course this was a myth and lots of people were unhappy ever after but women didn't go around fucking anybody they wanted. birth control changed all this but it couldn't change centuries of ingrained thinking overnight. So for lack of another model the old thinking prevailed for many people. Some people figured out what birth control meant for sexual liberty and started behaving in a whole new way. Of course one major obstacle to this liberty are STDs but condoms and drugs do fight that. I was raised the traditional way where you found somebody you wanted to pair up and you got married. I know lots of people on this forum have progressed beyond that archaic thinking. I see very few of the 'Silent Majority' who share my value system but I know they're out there, maybe they just steer clear of the 'Free Love' subforum. When Karen makes a comment like "she only slept with 35 or 40 people..." she is speaking for a part of the populace I have little contact with. With a few exceptions most people I know could count the number of sex partners they've had using just their fingers. So when people get upset at my comments they should at least know that I am speaking about the World I live in. I am not about to apologize for my comments, I am the opposition. If everyone on this forum believed the way that Karen J did there would be no need for a forum.
I don't think anyone should get upset with you for your opinions, unless you're being all judgmental about it. Different people have different opinions and philosophies about how to manage their sex lives, and those should be respected so long as no one tries to force others to live by their philosophies. And I don't see you as "opposition," but rather someone with a differing opinion. The term opposition makes it seem as if there's a fight to be had.
I know my opinions sound judgemental but that is because I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR BEHAVIOR!!!!!!!!!!! You know what's really magical? When youre single and you've gone a long time without sex and you meet someone and think they are really special and the sex is really intense. A few weeks into it and you know you really like this person, probably you are falling in love. After a Saturday night of heavy fucking you get up Sunday morning and the two of you go out for breakfast and you are starving and you eat a huge breakfast and talk and laugh with this sexy person and think how lucky you are to have met them and breakfast just lasts forever. Eventually you go back to whosever place you were at and get naked in daylight and just start fucking again until you are sore. Finally you can't fuck anymore and you shower and order Chinese and snuggle on the couch and watch a nice movie and you both talk about your favorite movies and soon you are fucking again... Does that beat random hookups, one night stands, swinger parties, gang bangs and partner swapping??
You used the W-word! Remember, a marriage can be whatever two people decide to make it. Get creative! Just don't eat too much pasta and get too fat to fuck! These are hardly convincing arguments for your side. Many times, I've made the same points in support of opposite conclusions. You might be surprised. Ordinarily, when you deal with random people in public, like waitresses, do they often provide details of their sexual histories, values, and lifestyles? I think you may be stereotyping us as having unusual appearances or mannerisms, which is often untrue. Many of us come across very mainstream, in public. You don't understand us, and criticism isn't a path to understanding. It's a strange kind of opposition. There is no war on monogamy. You don't need to defend it. Nobody here has told you that you or anybody else should give up monogamy. I'm sure everybody here knows there are a lot of people who practice monogamy, and we don't care. We have no reason to care. It isn't a problem. I have never met a person who objected to other people practicing monogamy. You see a problem that doesn't exist. I think you would be much more effective in supporting your lifestyle if you focused more on saying positive things about it, rather than talking down to us as if your lifestyle makes you better than other people. The Sexual Revolution happened a long time ago, and 1955 is never coming back again. Get used to the idea. All I've seen you do so far is annoy people, and set me up to make some really easy points. I should be thanking you for that, but I'm not.