The Realist Party

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Conservationist, Sep 25, 2009.

  1. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    If the state made companies bid who would carry the least overhead, cronyism would be somewhat less of a problem, but there is where tough regulation that's actually enforced comes in. Either way though it doesn't matter, the same thing already happens, just vs your friends getting contracts in private companies, your friends get cushy state jobs. The fact is the state monopoly is what breeds the terrible service/efficiency. It's the state, they have unlimited resources(well alright, they have budgets, but it's not like say the New Haven office of welfare assistance is going to go out of business if they're not careful), and they've been doing this for quite some time, yet they still fail at it miserably.

    Plus the system itself gets so large, bloated and backed up, and this is a small state, I feel bad for people in say Texas.

    Well I feel bad for people in Texas anyways.
     
  2. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Why would you rather receive public services that you pay taxes for and are entitled to being delivered by someone who is making profit through their stocks on something that you already pay taxes for?

    A privatized company would be taking advantage of government taxpayers by capitalizing on the government subsidy and putting all that profit they're making into their own hands to make all those rich people who can afford to play the stock market richer. Their stock goes up, they churn a profit, and can re-invest in some other scheme to deliver another government service as cheaply as possible to make a buck.

    Think critically. I know you're capable of it.
     
  3. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Companies could be non-profit ones then. It's not like anything is being lost, we have to pay the state to run these offices, pay these workers, ect, even the state has overhead. They just do a really bad job at keeping cost down.
     
  4. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    I see... so you think the profit motive is what makes people work harder, eh? You think the government has no incentive to SAVE money on programs or to balance their budgets?

    The core of the problem for you, is that you believe deep down that by following some stupid philosophy that people work better if they pursue their own interest, society functions best.

    NEWSFLASH! Neo-liberalism is flawed and largely dis-proven to function well in determining and presuming to know what is best for an efficient society.

    That's such a crock of shit. You need to think outside of the imperalistic American box you were born and placed into, man. It's a shame you perpetuate Bushleaguer ideological propaganda like it's written on the back of your hand. Ugh. I'm so disappointed when people can't understand where I'm coming from as a progressive, it's such a waste of breath explaining this kind of alternative thinking if you're just going to recite the same old tired readings from the capitalistic dogma book of Revelations.

    You're programed on re-feed, and all of society's problems can be fixed with the capital incentive. Who knew that would unlock the secrets of the universe.

    *waves cane*
     
  5. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    That's a much better idea. See, I didn't even think of that. But it's hard to get funding for non-profit programs and start up costs would have to be subsidized by the government. I favour this idea quite a bit, but it still creates a gap between who is to be held accountable for policy reviews and direct changes to the services being delivered.
     
  6. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    This could be hammered out, possibly both a state and an independent board to oversee it and audit them. I'm actually intrigued by my own idea now, I just said it was a random counterpoint but now I feel the need to drink a shit ton of coffee in the morning and see if there's a way where this could function both well and in it's intended purpose of better public service, lower overhead, puppies and love, ect.


    But as for the other post, it's not so much the profit motive, this is why so many non-profits function well. It's just the general structure of how things work in the state. It's not profit, it's competition. Especially in this case, something would be horribly wrong if companies tasked with handing out state funded welfare were making profits. Unless the state run lottery was also run by the same company.

    Though as to be expected I'm against a state run lottery. Let the people gamble as they please god damnit.
     
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